Non-UND FCS Thread

[UNDColorado]

18 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Currently the 4th longest tenured coach in the NHL, not bad.

Exactly, coaches in the show come and go often. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, homer said:

No.  I’m saying he senior class the year they lost to EWU.  They put the time in to turn the culture so the guys you are talking about could see what it took to be successful. 

Then I disagree. That senior class was leftovers from the previous culture when NDSU was in a lot of trouble off the field.

[choyt3]

How would it even be possible to have a new coach in place by signing day if it’s not an internal candidate? Do the open records laws and internal/external postings rules (laws) not have a bearing on this situation? Because I’m pretty sure that has played a role in UND’s hiring practices in recent years.  https://www.inforum.com/sports/931965-Larsen-to-look-at-candidates-to-replace-Klieman-for-next-three-to-four-days

[nodak651]

3 minutes ago, choyt3 said:

How would it even be possible to have a new coach in place by signing day if it’s not an internal candidate? Do the open records laws and internal/external postings rules (laws) not have a bearing on this situation? Because I’m pretty sure that has played a role in UND’s hiring practices in recent years.  https://www.inforum.com/sports/931965-Larsen-to-look-at-candidates-to-replace-Klieman-for-next-three-to-four-days

I think the rules are different if it an in-house hire.  How many days did it take for Berry to be named HC?  I think it was pretty quick.

[Shawn-O]

3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Maybe add Crockett to the B1G list. Not nothing but I think people believe that NDSU was chalked full of FBS talent that should have been with the gophers. Most of their studs, like Grant Olson, didn’t have the measurables. Now that you mention it, I’m curious enough to compile a list of Brewster era Cities recruits that NDSU pulled.

Throw Vraa in there too.  

[homer]

29 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Then I disagree. That senior class was leftovers from the previous culture when NDSU was in a lot of trouble off the field.

Ok

[Oxbow6]

NDSU lost Kleiman. They will lose a bunch of seniors. They could also lose another 1/4 of the current roster and incoming recruits and still be a playoff team next season. 

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

NDSU lost Kleiman. They will lose a bunch of seniors. They could also lose another 1/4 of the current roster and still be a playoff team next season. 

Do you feel they are one of the best teams in the country?

[Oxbow6]

5 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Do you feel they are one of the best teams in the country?

I guess where you or I think they are in the big picture is irrelevant. All I know UND is a year away from being in the same conference. At some point it would  be nice not to be the lag dog constantly sniffing the lead dog's a**.

[petey23]

3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Maybe add Crockett to the B1G list. Not nothing but I think people believe that NDSU was chalked full of FBS talent that should have been with the gophers. Most of their studs, like Grant Olson, didn’t have the measurables. Now that you mention it, I’m curious enough to compile a list of Brewster era Cities recruits that NDSU pulled.

It wasn't an issue of NDSU taking recruits "from" Brewster since he didn't recruit them as he as busy trying to pull 4 and 5 stars from Texas. There were a few players at NDSU who should have had full rides to Minnesota offered and many others who could have easily played for his Minnesota teams. 

If Brewster doesn't have a ring or two from NDSU it is at worst criminal and at the very least not very neighborly like.

Still can't believe Brewster blocked me on twitter.

[geaux_sioux]

11 minutes ago, petey23 said:

It wasn't an issue of NDSU taking recruits "from" Brewster since he didn't recruit them as he as busy trying to pull 4 and 5 stars from Texas. There were a few players at NDSU who should have had full rides to Minnesota offered and many others who could have easily played for his Minnesota teams. 

If Brewster doesn't have a ring or two from NDSU it is at worst criminal and at the very least not very neighborly like.

Still can't believe Brewster blocked me on twitter.

I never said they pulled them from Brewster. 

[TheFlop]

If NDSU ran their football program as ineptly as UND does NDSU would still have Bob Babich as coach because they would be happy with mediocrity.

[geaux_sioux]

Just now, TheFlop said:

If NDSU ran their football program as ineptly as UND does NDSU would still have Bob Babich as coach because they would be happy with mediocrity.

Nope

[dlsiouxfan]

1 hour ago, petey23 said:

It wasn't an issue of NDSU taking recruits "from" Brewster since he didn't recruit them as he as busy trying to pull 4 and 5 stars from Texas. There were a few players at NDSU who should have had full rides to Minnesota offered and many others who could have easily played for his Minnesota teams. 

If Brewster doesn't have a ring or two from NDSU it is at worst criminal and at the very least not very neighborly like.

Still can't believe Brewster blocked me on twitter.

To be fair to Brewster, you can't hold Crocket and Williams against him.  Both were non-qualifiers and thus ineligible to play Big Ten Football.  To NDSU's credit they've done as well as anyone in the country in working with kids who are non-qualifiers to get them eligible and on the practice field after the period they are forced to sit out.

[Mama Sue]

Well,  $$ 2.3 M with $200,000 a year guaranteed is nothing to sniff at. Taylor called him “Big Boy” and seemed happy.... the press release said K was coaching this weekend but not sure if K could coach the championship....lots of changes.....lots of energy needed....lots of money needed....

I can’t figure out why these decisions can’t wait until the season is over....of course the early signing day is a factor....

it is what it is....

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

McFeely Mess podcast

Speculation on what assistant coaches go, and which stay

 

https://www.inforum.com/entertainment/podcasts/931713-The-McFeely-Mess-podcast-BONUS-Klieman-going-to-K-State-edition#.XA_K8eAXF90.twitter

[SiouxBoys]

3 hours ago, TheFlop said:

If NDSU ran their football program as ineptly as UND does NDSU would still have Bob Babich as coach because they would be happy with mediocrity.

Fantastic contribution to the conversation. Well done.

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

I heard Brewster was such bumbling idiot and UND (also fools at the time) didn't have a presence in the twin cities and NDSU cleaned up.  I am not going to do the research but that's what I was told.

And really, what makes a good team great is a couple special players that elevate the team.  You and I have said it before, what did a Clive G. do for our offense?  What does a Turner do for a run game?  What does a legit NFL guy do for a secondary in Williams?  (and no, our phony NFL d-back prospects over the past few years do not rise to that level)

This is all correct. Spot on. NDSU’s 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes (many out of Twin Cities) really got the ball rolling for NDSU. Damn 

[Hayduke]

Do you think we can get NDSU to hire Bubba??  

Asking for a friend... 

 

 

[shep]

20 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

You are right Les Miles was a horrible coach with a shotty record. His national championship was just a fluke as his coaching had nothing to do about it. 

Im flabbergasted that some of you think Klieman is a better coach that Miles. Klieman has proved nothing at the FBS level and to say Miles record in the best conference in FBS was poor is seriously delusional.

Miles was a fine coach at LSU. He's a fine coach now but at Kansas. BIG difference. 

HE was not creative with the O at LSU. Lacking that at Kansas will NOT win games. You're going with the name. 

Plus, if there were a playoff, I doubt that LSU team that "won the title" would have beat USC among others that year.

[tjbison]

On 12/10/2018 at 8:37 PM, Frozen4sioux said:

wow... getting to leave fargo AND quadruple his salary..... 

 

Coming from someone in Bismarck this is rich...lol

[southpaw]

8 minutes ago, tjbison said:

Coming from someone in Bismarck this is rich...lol

You don't have to live in a nice place to criticize other cities.  It's why everyone in the world can talk about how !@#!$ Greeley is.

[The Sicatoka]

Back to one of my favorite arguments ...

Yes, NDSU has had quite a run a QB. There's no argument there. 

But I'm going to say their offensive line play has been equally, if not more so, as important and good through that period of time. 

Good OL play comes from three factors: offensive scheme (using what you've got to the best of its ability), coaching, and strength and conditioning. 

[Wilbur]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Back to one of my favorite arguments ...

Yes, NDSU has had quite a run a QB. There's no argument there. 

But I'm going to say their offensive line play has been equally, if not more so, as important and good through that period of time. 

Good OL play comes from three factors: offensive scheme (using what you've got to the best of its ability), coaching, and strength and conditioning. 

Lot of talk about NDSU being at the top of college football with QB play, defense, etc....but this is where they are better than a good number of FBS schools.

"The Rams" have been hands down the best unit at NDSU during their run.  They've had good backs, but I'm convinced I could run for positive yardage behind the lines they have had.

[Siouxperman8]

12 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

This is all correct. Spot on. NDSU’s 2009 and 2010 recruiting classes (many out of Twin Cities) really got the ball rolling for NDSU. Damn 

Their recruiting success over us started back when we were DII and we haven't been able to overcome it

• During DII - we offered half rides to 72 players where they were able to offer full rides.  Mertens told UND the deciding factor was the full ride at SU and Lennon wasn't willing to match that when the rest of the team was on half ride at max
• When we went DI NDSU was through their transition and we lost some kids because they didn't want to play in a limbo situation for us - Veldman said he picked them because he needed to have something to play for
• Since then they have been a juggernaut and are getting pretty much everyone they want.  I don't know how we break through that