Future of the UND Football Program

[Dustin]

  On 1/20/2022 at 4:10 PM, UND08 said:

Looking at realistic types of targets for the RB coach opening...I'd be pretty happy with a guy like this...

Ryan Olson - Running Backs - Football Coaches - Grand Valley State University Athletics (gvsulakers.com)

- Comes from a successful D2 program in GVSU that finished top 15 in rushing yards in D2 last year.

- Coaching experience in the FBS at EMU

- Playcalling experience at the D2 level

- Coaching experience at a successful NSIC D2 in our recruiting area

There are likely others with this resume or better...but this type of resume should be the minimum expectation.

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Sounds like the perfect candidate.

[UND-FB-FAN]

  On 1/20/2022 at 5:22 AM, Riverhawk said:

Assistant coach opening posted today.

Faculty and Staff Job Openings | Careers | Human Resources | University of North Dakota (und.edu)

 

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Need to pay assistant coaches better. Listing reports less than 50k salary - ridiculous for a DI program. UND football pays their assistants like horseshit. UND needs to get serious about football or else will be constant revolving door. 

[petey23]

  On 1/20/2022 at 3:22 PM, siouxfan512 said:

Not that I would ever cheer for NDSU, but their success really wouldn't bother me as much if their fans weren't so obnoxious. No so much from a rivalry standpoint, but just an in general obnoxious level. They're not all bad, but there is definitely more bad fans following that program than anywhere else. I suppose with that level of success comes a certain level of fair-weather bandwagon fans that no nothing about the sport, but enjoy the glory. The way so many of them talk, you would think it is them out their playing. 

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I have said this a few times about NDSU fans. It really is just the few bad thousands that spoil it for the other 12.

[shep]

  On 1/20/2022 at 4:55 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Need to pay assistant coaches better. Listing reports less than 50k salary - ridiculous for a DI program. UND football pays their assistants like horseshit. UND needs to get serious about football or else will be constant revolving door. 

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I agree but I also recall golfing in the Siouxper Swing with Rob Bollinger who wisely noted “You know you have a great job when you can wear shorts to work most days.”

[UNDBIZ]

  On 1/20/2022 at 4:55 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Need to pay assistant coaches better. Listing reports less than 50k salary - ridiculous for a DI program. UND football pays their assistants like horseshit. UND needs to get serious about football or else will be constant revolving door. 

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Although that salary isn't great, do you know what assistant coaches make at other schools?  I'm aware of at least one position coach at ndsu who's barely breaking $50k.

[homer]

Best of luck to coach Rouse.  Never met him but his position group was certainly solid the last couple seasons.  He also seemed to be very active in recruiting as well.  

[jdub27]

  On 1/20/2022 at 5:13 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Although that salary isn't great, do you know what assistant coaches make at other schools?  I'm aware of at least one position coach at ndsu who's barely breaking $50k.

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There's at least couple around that range. 

[Kab]

What is the poverty level for a family of 3 in Grand Forks ?

even a single person in GF would be hard to make a living at that salary 

starting wage at McDonalds in Williston is probably $36,000 

[UNDBIZ]

I believe they can make extra $$ by working the summer camps.

[SiouxFan100]

So much of our success depends on money - or lack of

[fightingsioux4life]

  On 1/20/2022 at 6:48 PM, SiouxFan100 said:

So much of our success depends on money - or lack of

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Hiring the right people is also important.

[nodak651]

  On 1/20/2022 at 5:13 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Although that salary isn't great, do you know what assistant coaches make at other schools?  I'm aware of at least one position coach at ndsu who's barely breaking $50k.

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source https://infogram.com/college-1hd12yxl0vmqw6k

[NDRA]

  On 1/20/2022 at 5:13 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Although that salary isn't great, do you know what assistant coaches make at other schools?  I'm aware of at least one position coach at ndsu who's barely breaking $50k.

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According to that chart it appears to me that they're doing quite a bit better than 50K.  Pretty much doubling that.

[Hammersmith]

  On 1/20/2022 at 7:51 PM, NDRA said:

According to that chart it appears to me that they're doing quite a bit better than 50K.  Pretty much doubling that.

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After a quick glance, it looks like:

Football support(director of football ops, etc.) - NDSU is paying around 10%-20% more than UND.

Coaches(position, coords, head) - NDSU is paying 50%-70% more than UND.

Head S&C - NDSU is paying a little over 100% more than UND. (Jim Kramer is the real reason for NDSU's FB success.)

[sioux24/7]

  On 1/20/2022 at 3:19 PM, GoHawks said:

Robbie Rouse was.....wonder where he went?

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Cal Poly. 

[gfhockey]

  On 1/20/2022 at 7:58 PM, Hammersmith said:

After a quick glance, it looks like:

Football support(director of football ops, etc.) - NDSU is paying around 10%-20% more than UND.

Coaches(position, coords, head) - NDSU is paying 50%-70% more than UND.

Head S&C - NDSU is paying a little over 100% more than UND.

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Our S&s guy sucks

[UNDBIZ]

  On 1/20/2022 at 7:36 PM, nodak651 said:

source https://infogram.com/college-1hd12yxl0vmqw6k

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  On 1/20/2022 at 7:51 PM, NDRA said:

According to that chart it appears to me that they're doing quite a bit better than 50K.  Pretty much doubling that.

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Those amounts include bonuses and camp pay.

[geaux_sioux]

  On 1/20/2022 at 7:58 PM, Hammersmith said:

After a quick glance, it looks like:

Football support(director of football ops, etc.) - NDSU is paying around 10%-20% more than UND.

Coaches(position, coords, head) - NDSU is paying 50%-70% more than UND.

Head S&C - NDSU is paying a little over 100% more than UND. (Jim Kramer is the real reason for NDSU's FB success.)

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And that is a big reason for NDSUs success. You get what you pay for generally.

[UND1983]

  On 1/20/2022 at 7:58 PM, Hammersmith said:

After a quick glance, it looks like:

Football support(director of football ops, etc.) - NDSU is paying around 10%-20% more than UND.

Coaches(position, coords, head) - NDSU is paying 50%-70% more than UND.

Head S&C - NDSU is paying a little over 100% more than UND. (Jim Kramer is the real reason for NDSU's FB success.)

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This narrative always slays me.  Do you think by chance he has better facilities, training table, more money, and wait for it.....better players than everyone else to work with?

[nodak651]

  On 1/20/2022 at 6:55 PM, fightingsioux4life said:

Hiring the right people is also important.

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It helps to pay the right people enough money to stay, if you do find them.  RB coach is a great example.  Based on Rouse's salary, it's very likely Kevin Maurice left for more money when he went to EWU in the first place.  He was just hired by New Mexico State as a position coach.  If Bubba has a higher budget for assistant coaches, he likely doesn't lose either of these guys.  

  On 12/30/2021 at 9:10 PM, nodak651 said:

No, but if they cut the annual pay of their coaching staff by $700,000 and cut their recruiting budget in half do you think they would expect the same results?

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  On 12/30/2021 at 10:34 PM, Midwestern Hawk said:

Yes.

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[nodak651]

  On 1/20/2022 at 8:11 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Those amounts include bonuses and camp pay.

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Kramer has a seperate 10K bonus, which can be found in the link I attached, but other than that I agree with you.

[UNDBIZ]

I won't deny that UND needs to improve its coaching salaries, but it is difficult when the comparison is always to the school in Fargo.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be, as we want to compete with them, but it's difficult.  For example, Montana's head coach makes less than Bubba, but you'd think we're severely underpaying everybody because the comparison is always to ndsu.

[UND-FB-FAN]

  On 1/20/2022 at 8:33 PM, UNDBIZ said:

I won't deny that UND needs to improve its coaching salaries, but it is difficult when the comparison is always to the school in Fargo.  I'm not saying it shouldn't be, as we want to compete with them, but it's difficult.  For example, Montana's head coach makes less than Bubba, but you'd think we're severely underpaying everybody because the comparison is always to ndsu.

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UND football is severely underpaying everybody. Period. 
 

it’s not just NDSU comparison. 
 

do better. If you’re UND athletic department, look beyond f***king hockey. 

[Sioux>Bison]

  On 1/20/2022 at 8:39 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND football is severely underpaying everybody. Period. 
 

it’s not just NDSU comparison. 
 

do better. If you’re UND athletic department, look beyond f***king hockey. 

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Yeah if we want to maximize our return on higher salaries we should be investing in Basketball…….. Is UND the average when it comes to salaries? If so I wouldn’t say under paying

[UNDBIZ]

  On 1/20/2022 at 8:39 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND football is severely underpaying everybody. Period. 
 

it’s not just NDSU comparison. 
 

do better. If you’re UND athletic department, look beyond f***king hockey. 

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Well there's no arguing with facts presented like that.