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  1. The three sections that apply to the situation are: 18.5, 20.02.5 & 31.3.4. Of the three, 18.5 is the most on-point for the discussion of autobids. None of the three sections appear to specifically exclude affiliate members from counting towards automatic qualifiers(maybe in basketball only). Here is all of it. Sorry it's so long, but it's the NCAA and it was likely written by lawyers. Personally, I agree with several of you and suspect the plan is to add Augie and get a waiver to cover the 2-ish years needed, with the backup plan being going for UNC for baseball only. Or maybe the priority is reversed and the Summit will go for UNC first. 20.02.5 is listed above.
  2. 612 tests. It's 3 or 4 games a year, not 4 or 5. (2x3 + 7x4) x 18 = 612 Overall point still stands.
  3. Doesn't work for the playoffs. The playoff roster is limited to 60. The NCAA has a 3rd party randomly select 18 players from the roster to be tested per playoff game(a new random selection each game). Over the four playoff games of the 2018 season, NDSU was tested 72 times. You probably have similar odds of winning a lottery than to completely avoid the two-deep over that many tests.
  4. I put that in as something of a half joke. Along the lines of "lies, damn lies, and statistics". If I was being completely serious, I would argue that you can use facts to manipulate an audience by only using those that support your (false)argument, while ignoring or suppressing any facts that contradict it(there's a regular poster on here that does this all the time). In that situation, true facts would be those that completely describe the situation without bias. But that's more serious than we need to be in a smack thread.
  5. What the family was very clear about, and what NDSU also released, is that whatever the banned substance was, it was a stimulant. Which means everyone who is saying or inferring it was a steroid or ostarine is calling the family liars. (looking at you geaux_sioux, gundy, Mama Sue, Siouxphan, etc.) I'm willing to believe the supplement contained a stimulant other than caffeine, but that scenario doesn't make all that much sense given the family's other statements. (widespread use in the locker room vs. only one positive result in 72 tests during the 2018 playoffs) But the reality is that true facts matter as much in threads like this(here or counterpart threads at BV) as they do in the world of politics(i.e. not at all).
  6. I have to say that I find it amusing that the UND fans claiming to "defend" Brock and his family are actually calling them liars. And the NDSU fans are actually supporting the Robbins's family version of events. Makes me chuckle.
  7. I was already typing out an update when you posted that.
  8. Here we go. These are most of the numbers from last year(2018-2019 season / FY2019). Significant improvement, but several sports still not fully funded. 100% MIH FB MBB WBB WT&F VB 85+% WSoc WG SB WT - 94% <85% MT - 83% MT&F - ? MG - 33% https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4438530-year-after-cutting-sports-und-athletics-adjusting-slimmer-budget
  9. Not sure if you don't understand or are being purposefully dense, but fully funded vs. not fully funded is about scholarships. A fully funded program is one that gives out the maximum number of scholarships allowed by the governing body(NCAA DI in our case). Or at least a program that allocates enough money to award all scholarships allowed(sometimes football or WBB might sit on a scholarship or two for recruiting reasons). NDSU has been fully funded across the board for a few years now. I believe men's golf or baseball was the last program to reach that mark. My understanding is that all the women's programs were fully funded from the first day of DI because of Title IX reasons. As for UND, it's been in the news repeatedly over the years that many of your programs are not fully funded. The most detailed and recent info I could find in a few minutes came from about 27 months ago. Things have improved(the Summit League required it), but I believe many programs are still not at 100% funding. I'll look a bit more to see if I can find info from last season. Scholarship funding levels as of the end of 2016-17 season: 100% MIH FB MBB WBB 85-100% VB (closer to 100% than 85%) WSoc 70% (these 3 were required to reach at least 85% by the fall of 2018) WG SB WT&F <70% MG MT&F MT WT https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4242553-und-cuts-womens-hockey-mens-and-womens-swimming
  10. I think you didn't quite get what I was saying. I was creating a hypothetical where the oil boom never happened. In that specific case, I suggested that Fargo would be the only ND city with double digit growth, and most any growth in the other cities would be because of cannibalization. But obviously the oil boom did happen and the lion's share of the growth of BisMan, Minot, Will & Dick is because of it. I could be persuaded that BisMan would have decent growth even without the oil boom, but I think it would be much closer to the growth rate GF currently has.
  11. It's easy and feels good to blame the flood because it was a natural disaster and thus no one's fault, but I don't think it is the true cause of the situation. I would suggest it was far more about the reduction of the GF AFB than the flood. If the jobs were there, everything else would have quickly followed. When it comes right down to it, GF will never be able to compete directly against Fargo for one simple reason: I-94. A city with two interstate highways will always have a huge advantage over a city with only one. Same thing with rail lines. Without the development of oil out west, Fargo would likely be the only ND city with double digit growth. And any growth in GF, BisMan or Minot would have been just rural to urban cannibalization. It is what it is. Since it's unlikely that we'll find a major new resource under NE ND, to change things, GF would have to bring in a new, major industry that needs a large workforce. And that's a hard sell. If the industry is something that uses local materials, why not chose Fargo which has easier shipping access? If it doesn't use local materials, why choose an area where a workforce is hard to find? Go somewhere where unemployment is higher. If GF tries to leverage its available assets like the AFB or UND's aviation department, why should most aviation companies chose a location with bad weather and difficult access over a location like TX, NV, CA or others? And the industries that do choose to build in GF are likely going to be highly automated and not bring in that many new jobs. I grew up in Wahp during the glory years of 3M, WCCO and NDSCS at it's height. Since then, 3M shut down, WCCO shrank and automated, and NDSCS scaled way back due to funding changes in Bismarck. The city lost around a quarter of it's jobs and population. In the decade that followed, a couple new plants were built, including a corn processing plant. People thought it could be the start of bringing things back. But the corn plant and the other new ventures were so highly automated that it didn't mean much to the community. What's the addition of 100 jobs when you're trying to recover from losing 2,000? Stark reality: A single new project in Fargo(Aldevron) is likely to bring in more new jobs to Fargo(>800) than every current new project in GF combined that's beyond the drawing board stage. I just don't know how you compete with that. But you probably should look to UND(Aldevron was started by two NDSU students and was an early tenant of the NDSU R&D Park). https://www.inforum.com/business/technology/1355795-Fargo-biotech-firm-announces-major-expansion-to-add-189000-square-feet-employ-over-1000
  12. I agree with northernraider in using MSAs instead of individual cities. By that respect, GF's growth rate is towards the bottom of the four-state MSA(ND, SD, MN, MT) and the ND micropolitan statistical areas. Here is the list for the sake of discussion: (sorted by growth rate) MSA Growth 2010-18 2018 Pop +53.30% Williston* 34,337 +32.79% Dickinson* 32,133 +17.58% Fargo 245,471 +16.38% Sioux Falls 265,653 +15.60% Bismarck 132,678 +13.21% Minot 78,723 +10.51% Rapid City 148,749 + 8.68% Missoula 118,791 + 8.37% Minneapolis 3,629,190 + 8.02% Billings 171,677 + 6.25% Rochester 219,802 + 5.66% St. Cloud 199,801 + 5.07% Mankato 101,647 + 3.90% Grand Forks 102,299 + 0.39% Great Falls 81,643 + 0.14% Jamestown* 21,129 + 0.13% Wahpeton* 22,927 - 0.35% Duluth 278,799 *designated as micropolitan statistical areas(μSAs); all others are metropolitan statistical areas(MSAs) this list includes all ND/SD/MN/MT MSAs and all ND μSAs
  13. You guys should be following your T&F athletes. Molly Detloff had the 4th best hammer throw at the NCAA West Prelims in Sacramento today. She'll be heading to the nationals in Texas in June. Kyley Foster will be competing in the pole vault tomorrow. https://dt8v5llb2dwhs.cloudfront.net/West/index.htm
  14. There was bill in the legislature this year that included a requirement that part(half?) of any money from a sale of Ray Richards go to fund the men's golf team. I think it passed, but I'm not positive. Of course that would only go into effect if UND actually sells the property.
  15. Didn't realize the new T&F hire was covering both men's and women's programs. I don't know if the GFH article I was reading was unclear about that point, or if I just skimmed past it and assumed the consolidation was about the CC and T&F programs instead of men's and women's programs. Honestly, I don't know if UND's decision on this matter is good or bad for the program. I'd be worried it's about money. By encouraging two long-time head coaches to leave and replacing them with a young head coach and a new assistant, that has the smell of budget reductions. But time will tell. (Ouch, just compared the two coaching staffs. Four paid T&F/CC coaches at UND, six paid at NDSU plus three volunteers.) As for why I think NDSU will come out higher in total female coaches, it's like this: The schools are currently at 10 total(2+8) for UND and 9(1+8) for NDSU. But at UND, I counted the current T&F and VB assistant staffs. Now it's possible the new hires will add to the net number of female coaches, but it's just as possible, even likely, that there won't be any net change. On the other hand, NDSU has zero assistants listed for the WBB program, so I didn't count anyone. If Kory brings even two paid female assistants(out of four - highly likely), that would put the total at 10 for UND and 11 for NDSU. It's true that we won't know for certain for another four months, but I think the odds favor more total female coaches at NDSU come the start of the school year. But I'd also say I'm not thrilled with the number of female coaches at either of the schools, especially in head coaches. The rumor is that NDSU first offered the WBB job to the Drake assistant (female), but she turned it down in favor of a promotion back at Drake. The other woman among the finalists was clearly the number 4 choice(of 4), so Kory was the next best choice since he had head coaching experience. I think Lynn Dorn tried to hire a woman for soccer when she forced Pete C. out, but I don't think she got any qualified female applicants. And Darin M. has been doing such a great job at softball that his job is safe until he decides to leave(plus all three of his assistants are women). Same goes for the T&F position. Anyway, none of this is meant to be argumentative, just informative. I happened to see NDSU mentioned in a post along the side of the main page and got curious as to the actual situation. Been wondering about the real numbers for awhile, but was too lazy to actually look the stuff up. This gave me the excuse to finally do it.
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