2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Kermit's Luck]

23 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

If you or someone you loved were dealing with a serious healthcare issue...let’s say it’s cardiac...would you rather be in the Canadian system or the US?  I can tell you that id be at the Cleveland Clinic tomorrow. 

I said learn from, not trade with. As someone with a good standard of living, health insurance, and a healthy(+/-) lifestyle, if/when I need serious healthcare I do and will continue to go the best regional facilities I can - might as well play the hand you're dealt. That doesn't mean our current system couldn't use an overhaul - Canada's system consistently outperforms ours in several major metrics, most significantly life expectancy and percentage of GDP that is spent on health care.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

52 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

Have you been sounding the alarm that our election's aren't run properly prior to 2020? Or did this go from zero to national crisis in one election cycle? I'll assume the latter.

Do you think your attitude towards our elections has been influenced by the Trump campaign? Their only path to remaining in power is to remove public faith in the election process, disenfranchise the votes of every American (especially the ones that voted against them), and throw a Hail Mary trying to get in front of a Supreme Court that they think they've stacked. It won't work, and they know it - but they'll do it anyways. Horrifyingly un-American, and a sadly tragic and predictable end to what I hope is the most far-right President this country ever elects. Our election process is fine - it's only now that Trump lost that we're talking about it.

On another note, Canada does a ton of things well that we could learn from. Health care, cannabis, all-dressed chips, and they've got the hockey thing down. I'll always owe them for the road trips out of Walsh Hall to the peeler bars.

Good to see your positive rep #Hayduke1

[bison73]

34 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

If you or someone you loved were dealing with a serious healthcare issue...let’s say it’s cardiac...would you rather be in the Canadian system or the US?  I can tell you that id be at the Cleveland Clinic tomorrow. 

We know many Canadians from our yearly fishing trips. They told us---if you have a  health appt you NEVER EVER NEVER miss it because you NEVER know when you will get another one.

 

I know many physicians from all over the world who love or healthcare system. They have nothing good to say about socialist healthcare.

[SIOUXFAN97]

5 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I said learn from, not trade with. As someone with a good standard of living, health insurance, and a healthy(+/-) lifestyle, if/when I need serious healthcare I do and will continue to go the best regional facilities I can - might as well play the hand you're dealt. That doesn't mean our current system couldn't use an overhaul - Canada's system consistently outperforms ours in several major metrics, most significantly life expectancy and percentage of GDP that is spent on health care.

when the chinese come over there is a reason why they live win within a hour of our military...

[Kermit's Luck]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

when the chinese come over there is a reason why they live win within a hour of our military...

I don't speak right-wing tinfoilese - please elaborate.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I don't speak right-wing tinfoilese - please elaborate.

it's pretty easy to give away "free" things when you pay very little for you military when you know that big brother down south will protect you.

[Oxbow6]

13 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

Canada's system consistently outperforms ours in several major metrics, most significantly life expectancy and percentage of GDP that is spent on health care.

Curious as to why you think that is? Canadians live longer than Americans.....why is that?

[Kermit's Luck]

10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Curious as to why you think that is? Canadians live longer than Americans.....why is that?

There are a lot of factors that go into that, and I'm not claiming to be an expert. Lifestyle choices obviously play a part, but giving access to screenings and preventative health care on a regular basis sure seems like a good idea.

[petey23]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Machine gonna machine. The same number will come out.

I thought the issue was which votes to count meaning late or signature issues.

If you don’t look at that, machine gonna machine. Recount is waste of time if you just run same stack through. 

Correct. I have said doing recounts on the same ballots is a shell game.

The only way to insure confidence would be an audit of 10% or about 100,000 ballots to March up the ballot with a legal voter.

[yzerman19]

1 hour ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I said learn from, not trade with. As someone with a good standard of living, health insurance, and a healthy(+/-) lifestyle, if/when I need serious healthcare I do and will continue to go the best regional facilities I can - might as well play the hand you're dealt. That doesn't mean our current system couldn't use an overhaul - Canada's system consistently outperforms ours in several major metrics, most significantly life expectancy and percentage of GDP that is spent on health care.

Us system is bi-Modal in terms of pop health metrics.  That is an issue, but if you are educated with means- there has been no better time or place to seek healthcare than in the US today.  
 

I would also contend that % of GDP is not a negative.  What should a highly developed society spend money on if not improving health and delivering healthcare?  It certainly is better than spending it on say marketing and producing junk that you don’t need.

 

[gfNDfan]

Trump LOST because he's an asshole!  PERIOD!  Always doubled down until his own arguements left him choking on his own bull$%!#.  A real man admits when he's been beaten and moves on.

Channeling my interior Nelson Muntz - HAHA! 

 

go away you orange turd! 

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

This is hilarious.

[Oxbow6]

8 hours ago, Kermit's Luck said:

There are a lot of factors that go into that, and I'm not claiming to be an expert. Lifestyle choices obviously play a part, but giving access to screenings and preventative health care on a regular basis sure seems like a good idea.

Fair enough....especially the lifestyle comment.

Any thoughts on how demographics might play a role in life expectancy between the two countries?

[Kermit's Luck]

1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

Fair enough....especially the lifestyle comment.

Any thoughts on how demographics might play a role in life expectancy between the two countries?

I quite luckily blew this thread off during the Black Lives Matter protests this summer, and am not going to take the bait. Not particularly interested in discussing demographics with this board. I think there would certainly be a positive correlation between low life expectancy and living below the poverty line, I’d give you that much. 

[Bison06]

11 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I quite luckily blew this thread off during the Black Lives Matter protests this summer, and am not going to take the bait. Not particularly interested in discussing demographics with this board. I think there would certainly be a positive correlation between low life expectancy and living below the poverty line, I’d give you that much. 

I agree that we can learn some things from Canada, but comparing the United States to any country in the world is a fool errand. The diversity of culture and how each of those cultures consumes healthcare in the United States makes it unique. 
 

I find a few things we do to be odd.
 

One, I’m sure there was good intentions in the beginning, but I don’t like that healthcare benefits are tied to a specific job. It creates too many problems when someone is fired or just switches jobs. Benefits vary wildly from plan to plan, leading to nothing but confusion for the consumer. Second, I believe strongly that basic healthcare and preventative healthcare should be a right in our country and not a privilege. Doctors in our system do not have the time to be who they should be, teachers. Educating our youth on how to take care of their body through preventative measures and then helping them grow into healthy adults. Being there in case something goes wrong and helping to correct it. Much more in line with how dentists fit into a family’s healthcare plan. Doctors know little to nothing about nutrition and exercise protocols, which is easily the most impactful category in determining long term health outcomes. Our system is bloated and intervention heavy, not enough accountability and prevention education.

[Frozen4sioux]

8 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

Trump LOST because he's an asshole!  PERIOD!  Always doubled down until his own arguements left him choking on his own bull$%!#.  A real man admits when he's been beaten and moves on.

Channeling my interior Nelson Muntz - HAHA! 

 

go away you orange turd! 

 

Has it been a week already?

My my timeouts fly by so quickly.

Anywho... member that time you cheered the idea of a young adult committing suicide?

 

[Oxbow6]

17 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I quite luckily blew this thread off during the Black Lives Matter protests this summer, and am not going to take the bait. Not particularly interested in discussing demographics with this board. I think there would certainly be a positive correlation between low life expectancy and living below the poverty line, I’d give you that much. 

I'm excited to see your concept of "wealth distribution" take hold soon to fix your concern with low life expectancy within a certain  demographic. Who knew it was that simple? Guess personal responsibility/lifestyle choices evade certain  demographics. Again who knew?

[UNDBIZ]

8 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

This is hilarious.

While I found it an amusing read, I can't help but think he is sadly another mental health victim of the pandemic response.

[Frozen4sioux]

8 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

This is hilarious.

He starts out defendable as it appears an exact and accurate prediction as to the direction we are heading with a mandatory vaccine situation.

Then delves into some talk straight out of the batshyte crazy leftist circles, very Talcolm X like.....

....then, well kind sounds like the ethers took over and he just went with it. Full send.

I'm not shocked he was placed on leave, the shocking thing is this only scores in the slightly above crazy scale of todays college professor ranting manifestos. 

[MafiaMan]

8 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

Trump LOST because he's an asshole!  PERIOD!  Always doubled down until his own arguements left him choking on his own bull$%!#.  A real man admits when he's been beaten and moves on.

Channeling my interior Nelson Muntz - HAHA! 

 

go away you orange turd! 

Hillary Clinton just a few months ago: “Joe Biden should not concede under ANY circumstances!”

Democrats everywhere today:  “WHY WON’T TRUMP CONCEDE?”

[SiouxFan100]

We will see if anything is proven in court today.

[The Sicatoka]

11 hours ago, Kermit's Luck said:

Have you been sounding the alarm that our elections aren't run properly prior to 2020? Or did this go from zero to national crisis in one election cycle? I'll assume the latter.

My State Senator and Reps would let you know I don't like the current ND touch screens that print out a billet for the voter. It's too easy to miss something when you review it before putting it into the "box". 

I filled in the old "SRA test" ovals on my ballot. 

[Blackheart]

5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

My State Senator and Reps would let you know I don't like the current ND touch screens that print out a billet for the voter. It's too easy to miss something when you review it before putting it into the "box". 

I filled in the old "SRA test" ovals on my ballot. 

#2 pencil?

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

41 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

While I found it an amusing read, I can't help but think he is sadly another mental health victim of the pandemic response.

 

30 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

He starts out defendable as it appears an exact and accurate prediction as to the direction we are heading with a mandatory vaccine situation.

Then delves into some talk straight out of the batshyte crazy leftist circles, very Talcolm X like.....

....then, well kind sounds like the ethers took over and he just went with it. Full send.

I'm not shocked he was placed on leave, the shocking thing is this only scores in the slightly above crazy scale of todays college professor ranting manifestos. 

Seemed like some deep seeded resentment of fellow scientists who are celebrities finally boiled over. The A Bomb is fake theory was new to me. By the end, he went full Dril:

 

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

#2 pencil?

Back in the day, yes; but you may also consider HB lead mechanical pencils.