Bison06

”this is my board and I’ll say what I want” -child crying voice Thought someone who graduated from such a prestigious University would have a little more intellectual integrity than to just throw out word like bust without some facts, but I was proven wrong today.

Clever

Overrated and bust are not the same thing. Let’s not move the goalpost on the conversation.

And when you become a GM, you can use whichever criteria you prefer to draft. Quality QB’s come from a lot of places. More often from top FBS schools, but there is nfl talent at the FCS and D2 levels also. Kurt Warner doesn’t have an nfl career if you don’t look for talent outside of P4 conferences. Tony Romo, Joe Flacco, I could name hundreds of nfl players from outside of your criteria. I’m not sure what any of this has to do with ndsu QB’s being bust or not, seems you have a problem with how nfl GM’s evaluate talent.

What information am I to glean from these nameless stat lines? Help me out, I’m just a lowly ndsu grad after all.

The exception proves the rule. Purdy was literally drafted to be a backup and wouldn’t have started a single game if garrapolo didn’t get hurt.Late draft picks aren’t drafted with the expectation to start. Everybody knows this. Does UND football offer a school start walk to someone they expect to start at QB their true freshman year? Just say you don’t like ndsu and you will make up for any stat you can to not admit they’ve been successful.

Not sure if you’re aware of this, but salaries get paid every year. Starting QB get paid ridiculous money so even if they are successful their average dollars/win will be higher than Carson’s and back up QB’s by definition don’t start games. Easton and Cam and anyone else drafted late don’t get drafted with the expectation of starting games. Back to my original point, none of the QBs from ndsu can be considered a bust. Outside of Trey.

Trey has been a bust, I've conceded that. I'm sorry, I can't keep up with the childish insults, who exactly is the mouth breather? Easton? He was drafted in the 5th round. Hard to find data on QB's drafted that late, but AI tells me the median number of starts for QB's drafted in the 5th round or later is between 0 and 3 starts in their career. Easton has started 4 games, which makes him more successful than the average QB drafted in the 5th round or later. Also, QB's get paid a lot, so we would need to understand what the standard is for dollars paid/win to understand a reference point for what is considered a good average. Using 2025 season the top 5 paid NFL QB's were: Dak-60 Million-11 wins-5.5 million/win Josh Allen-55 million-11 wins-4.5 million/win Joe Burrow-55 million-5 wins-11 million/win Trevor Lawrence-55 million-13 wins-4.2 million/win Jordan Love-55 million-9 wins-6.1 million/win Looks to me like 3.5 million/win is actually quite the bargain when you look at what the going rate for wins is in the NFL. Carson is at 2.7 million/win. So even by your own made up criteria, Carson isn't a bust.

And yet, the people whose livelihood and career depend on them making these decisions keep signing them to contracts. How would you explain that? Luck?

Most QBs struggle with that when they transition to the NFL, it isn't just an NDSU thing. Is FCS football the SEC or Big10, nope. So the learning curve is even steeper for FCS guys. But it isn't an NDSU QB thing.

Fair point. Both of those guys deserve recognition for their contributions to the program and it isn't correct of me to exclude them. Thanks for pointing that out.

Hard to take you seriously with these middle school insults. Nobody outside of the first 3 rounds can ever be included in a bust conversation. Everything beyond the middle of round 3 is a complete crapshoot that comes with very little expectations and financial commitment from the teams. As far as Carson goes, he is an ACL injury away from being an NFL MVP. He has signed 5 NFL contracts. Busts usually don't make it past their 1st, maybe a 2nd. He will end his career in the top 100 all time passing yards. Has he lived up to the expectations of a top 1st round draft pick, maybe, maybe not. But to call him a bust just shows a lack of ball knowledge.

Seems like a reasonable headline to me, especially given how surprising it is coming from an FCS school. NDSU's last 4 QB's have been drafted and potentially a 5th in this year's draft. The list of schools that have had 4 starting QB's in a row drafted is extremely small. I'll concede that Trey Lance has been what most people consider a bust. But none of the rest of the QB's who have come out of NDSU could be included on a list of busts. Who else would you include?

Great, how exciting that made the game! And without the amazing first half defensively, 29 second half points would’ve been good enough to win. Good thing they play all four quarters of a football game to decide a winner.

At the beginning of the year, I may have somewhat agreed with you. But this years NDSU team grew more than any I can think of in recent memory and the team that took the field on Monday night was damn good. To call a defense no good that held MSU to 3 first half points and made them completely change their game plan to move the ball is a little silly.

Assuming you are talking about Cole Payton here, I don’t believe he will be our starter next year. I think that will go to Hayes and from what I’ve seen and heard, he is much more of the prototypical ndsu qb from the last decade. Obviously, a step back from Cam who ended up among the ndsu all time greats, but Hayes has the skillset to keep the offense humming if he figures it out quickly.

None that I’ve spoken to and I know a lot of them.

SDSU fans aren’t even questioning the rankings, yet UND fans are. The AQ is decided by the conference, the rankings have nothing to do with that. Also, if you’ve read my posts, I’ve said literally word for word what you just posted. 2,3,4 could have been in any order. Yet they chose ndsu 2, sdsu 3, usd 4. Do you think they just flipped a coin? No, they looked at SoS and clearly discounted DII wins. Which part of what I’ve said do you disagree with?

It’s funny you keep having this discussion and yet we already know how the committee ranked these teams. The outcome is already decided and you want to re-litigate it, for what purpose? Clearly the committee, whose job it is to rank these teams discounted SDSU SoS. If anything, you arguing that SDSU had a better SoS than NDSU only further bolsters my point that the committee discounted SDSU for the DII game.

And beat 3 playoff teams. Not sure why this is even a discussion honestly. Augie could become DII national champs and in the eyes of the committee, NDSU beating Tennessee state is a better win than SDSU beating Augie.

I think you could put those three teams in any order and could’ve justified it. Being as objective as I can be, I still think NDSU has the best claim to the #2 seed given their entire body of work. USD’s only win against a playoff team was Saturday. NDSU was 3-1 against playoff teams. As far as I’m aware there is no consideration given for recency of win/loss. We could go round and round all day, but as I said, they could have put them in any order and made a good argument for that order. edit:USD also beat Drake, so they are 2-1 against playoff teams.

How would you have ranked them? USD #2, SDSU #3, NDSU #4? By your logic then, how do you put SDSU ahead of NDSU? And how do you put USD ahead of SDSU?

I appreciate the work your putting in here to make your point. When three teams have essentially the same resume and have all beaten each other, how would you propose they be separated by the committee? We’re definitely splitting hairs, but NDSU in my mind had a clear advantage in SoS and apparently the committee saw it the same way. It doesn’t matter how good the DII teams are, they are a lower level and are viewed as such when it comes time for playoff seeding. It’s really as simple as that.

MVFC agreements are apparently not part of the committee’s decision making process so to bring them up isn’t relevant. I also cant get on board with your opinions on DII wins. Competitive programs in DII is irrelevant, this is a known criterion for the FCS playoffs and teams scheduling DII teams knew they were risking lowering their playoff seeding potential if this scenario played out exactly like it has.

What bull$%!# is that? Seemed like a pretty good discussion filled with factual information.