UND- NDSU GDT 9/7/2019

[Old School Guy]

20 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

It was 12-0 at the half, I wouldn’t call that looking good.

I agree but rolling Drake at the end of the day was a false indicator. Drake is horrible.

[geaux_sioux]

7 minutes ago, Old School Guy said:

I agree but rolling Drake at the end of the day was a false indicator. Drake is horrible.

We needed trick plays to score two of our tds.

[Old School Guy]

22 minutes ago, BigGame said:

I find the doom and gloom funny after a bad loss to a very good team.  NDSU has better personnel then many FBS schools!  I don't want to downplay the loss too much but if anyone thought we had a real chance today was fooling  themselves.  NDSU has better players at almost every position right now.  My take is probably off of most on the message board but UND can be a very good football team this season if some things get corrected.  We are very erratic on defense, most of the big run plays were directly related to guys not playing consistent gap control defense. This is a very fixable issue!  On offense, we had a fairly large number of plays in which the timing was off by a lot.  Also a very fixable issue!  I think we will see improvement going forward! 

I wouldn't call is doom and gloom. I think most hoped (I) after rushing for what was it 5 yds in 2015 against NDSU and getting handled, we'd be more on par with NDSU 4 years later. Its reality.  We'll see how we measure up next week. NDSU is a FBS level opponent right now.

[Old School Guy]

19 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

We needed trick plays to score two of our tds.

That's why I say false (positive) indicator.

[Irish]

35 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Points well taken. I believe the Big Sky Championship in spite of the playoff flop bought them extra time. Over the Kupchella years we had a bright President who had very little interest nor understanding of athletics. Kelly had a better understanding but we wasted time and effort and resources dealing with the name and logo fiasco. It hurt his ability to focus his efforts in the areas of athletics where he needed to focus. His biggest blunder was failing to foster the Sanford relationship and offer of $10,000,000.  That was just “seed money” if you look at the tens of millions SDSU, USD,NDSU, Bemidji, Etc have received.  Look at the facilities at those schools and their communities. Kennedy was a politician who admired everything being done at his wife’s Alma Mater.  We lost the opportunity for Dave Fennell’s support when ‘Keefe and Harmon passed on Bollinger in favor of Bunning.  Faison failed to follow up on communication with Mayo Sports Medicine with regards to Phase 2.  You don’t need to convince me of leadership mistakes and missed opportunities with regards to athletics.  Will Josh Wynne help?  Chaves seems to understand our needs.  We don’t have anyone that I am aware of willing to provide the $50,000,000 necessary to finish phase 2 and provide the resources to double coaches salaries.  I believe that may be the source of our frustration and has slowed our progress.  

An accurate description of our administration's mismanagement.  My son was a student athlete during the Bunning era and felt he was a total incompetent and in over his head.  However, lost in all of this is Bubba's coaching.  This is my point of contention.  He is stuck in 1985.  If you watch the second half of our playoff game you will see what I call total coaching malpractice from Bubba and his staff.  It is unbelievable how he snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.  He kept Rudy for 5 years and only let him go under pressure - in the mean time he misused the best stable of running backs we have ever had.  His lack of adjustments is legendary - he was probably out adjusted in every game last year.  His ultra-conservative philosophy has certainly cost us talented recruits.  If you were a young game-breaker and saw film of how Santiago was used last year how fast would you run from this program.  I won't even get into his love of punts.  He couldn't get our team up for the last game of the season last year with a playoff spot on the line.  Bottom line - even with our institutional limitations Bubba has done a poor job with what he has.

[Wilbur]

9 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

1.  Nobody beat NDSU last year, so UND is in that group right now.  Dont sweat this loss, it was unfortunate but expected.

2. Next week is critical to the rest of this year.

3. Bubba may not be the answer.

4.  The mascot/hockey picture is real.

#4 is terrible......stupid.....whoever gave that to the bird or if the bird did that himself.....wow.  

I support both sports but it just makes the line in the sand that there is between the two much sports that much thicker......

[siouxfan512]

All irritating things aside, very impressed with Trey Lance, his skill, his athleticism, his ability to read a play and his execution.

 

Would love to see us get someone even close to that. Nothing against the QBs on our roster, but the past few Bison QBs are just a different caliber.

[Longtime fan]

4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Can I get a show of hands in who still believes in Bubba as the head of the FB program?

Unable to watch or listen to the game but I 100% agree bubba has had his time.  Lost faith in him nearly three years ago when he thought keeping Rudy was a great idea. This game cemented the fact that und/ bubba is not ready for big time.   6 years prove that.  Bubba is, I believe, 5-14 vs top 25 teams....with only 2 of those teams making the playoffs that year.  So in other words ....und can beat teams that don’t make the playoffs.  People will argue that in the last 8 years most teams that line up against ndsu lose.....which is true .....but unds lack of competitiveness in these games is glaring.  Physical teams are unds nemesis.  Should never be.  Und lived and died by that motto of being physical.  The Missouri valley is filled with this the ndsu type of team......punch you in the mouth ....win it in the trenches!  Und will play one more year of the “no D” big sky (Weber is the exception) than it’s off to a week after week after week of this style of game.  Bubba isn’t ready for it 

 

 

 In conclusion....the reality hit hard today that und isn’t ready.   I feel with the big sky schedule this team has enough talent to make a run for possible post season play.   After today’s debacle ...I see 3 for sure losses (ndsu, Weber, e wash) 3 others up in the air.

 

 

[Kab]

It’s hard to get enthused listening to bubba, if we as fans can’t how do the players?

[Hockeygirl97]

That's BS ... in the 90's we destroyed NDSU's damn running QBs.... if we weren't going to take the 1AA crap seriously, maybe we should have dropped football and gotten a decent coach for women's hockey.... they'd at least put a decent effort in...

[crb1]

I’m sorry guys and gals but Bubba is not our answer. He just isn’t at D1 coach. UND needs some alumni to step up and help contribute some money for higher salaries for the coaching staff otherwise we will be stuck in this situation year after year. We just don’t have high caliber coaches and it shows and it has to hurt our recruiting as well. I also agree that we need to look harder at our strength and conditioning coach or coaches. 

[siouxfb]

Let’s relax a little bit. I’m as frustrated with the loss as anyone, but the season is early and we are young and will get better. Looking at the predictions on the other thread most everyone expected us to lose...we did and now people want changes? 

Our talent is getting much better and we are a young team. We need to perform well this year and make the playoffs to set us up to be ready for the valley. 

Offense - had its moments, we need a burner at wr...like last year it doesn’t work against good teams to have 3 wr on the field with the exact same skill set. 

Defense - was most disappointed in this today, I thought we would be much much better against the run, our fits were bad and dbs took bad angles all day, several sat and waited for the action to come to them. 

Special Teams - we need to punt it further, no returns but the kicks were short  

I believe our injuries today hurt us more than we know, Holms is our best db and would have been a factor today and would have allowed us to get some other guys off that field that were struggling. 

ndsu did to us what they do to so many others, let’s clean up some things and go on a run. 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, Wilbur said:

You're my football guru, if Kett is healthy does he go or do we ride out Zimm?

It’ll be several weeks before Ketteringham is healthy so I imagine we have to ride with Zimmerman for awhile.

Grover is not a long-term option and they want to retain shirt on Schuster. UND needs speed on edge so have to keep Boltmann out there.

Zimmerman should get better. He’s only had one start (today) and it was against No. 1 FCS team in the Fargodome. I expect his timing with Wanzek, Maag, Toivonen, etc. to improve with more game reps. 

With all that said, the running game hasn’t got going these first two games and that is most concerning to me. Offensive line needs to play better. None of the 3 starting RBs have jumped out, either; each is OK in certain situations (JJ short yardage, McKinney on edge, etc.) but none are all around every down backs. 

The defense was not awful today, but the lack of ability to contain the QB run game was their downfall. They should look better against Sam Houston State at home, but getting Holm and Jer Dominique back healthy for that game will be key. SHSU will be slingin’ it around the Alerus. UND will need to get good pressure on their QB. SHSU running game won’t be near as good as NDSU’s.

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

You know you've packed it when you see this.......

Honestly, one of the most stupid, ignorant statements anyone from UND can say (although it gets said a lot). Definitely a pet peeve of mine. 

[Dustin]

I am not hitting the panic button yet. We lost to the best team in the country. They’ve beaten us by that margin before even when we were essentially equals (1995 playoff game).  Lopsided victories happen sometimes. Biggest disappointment to me was that I thought our offense would be capable of more. Season is young, and we throttled the easiest team in the schedule, and got throttled by the best. Good learning experience for everyone. Glad we’re going to see these guys every year, because that’s how we’ll learn how to beat ‘em. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

3 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Hindsight is 20/20: scheduling these games was stupid and benefitted UND in no way other than to show how far away they are.

I agree that hindsight is 20/20 but don’t agree with the rest. 

Why should UND not play the No. 1 FCS team in the country, never mind their longtime rival only 70 miles away? 

Like said before, if you want to be the best, you must beat the best. UND is currently not able to be the best. That is simply all we learned today. Let’s try it again next year and the next year and so on until we finally arrive. 

The UND folks who regret that we played NDSU this year and in 2015 are just scared of reality. They don’t want to embrace the fact that UND is NOT under competent leadership currently and also is NOT moving with a significantly positive trajectory.

Implicitly, perhaps, you all support mediocrity. UND cannot ascend mediocrity if it does not play the best and ultimately beat the best. It did not happen today. UND is not the best. That is what we learned. Re-group, keep playing, and try again. That is the nature of competent competition. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I wish our players played with that edge. Their team needs it, our team wants it. We need more assholes on our team.

Only one of many things UND football needs.

[siouxfan512]

Here’s the thing with Bubba, seems like the nicest guy ever, and he could go on to have a decent season, even eek into the playoffs. He seems to lack that killer instinct, and maybe it is unfair to put all of this on Bubba, but he is the head coach.

I for one, was very disappointed to se us once again punt when we were already down and it was a short yardage situation. Should have taken a few chances to keep himself in the game

 

though with that offensive showing, I can see why they closed practice this week. I wouldn’t want the media watching something that embarrassing either!

 

seriosuly though, there are some great tools out there. Wanzek; Maag could be special; McKinney was under utilized.

also didn’t care for some of friends calls, though some were pretty good. Why are we ever running Maag on a sweep play? Cam, sure! Griebel, sure! Half the other receivers? Nooooooo!!!

[SiouxHawkGuy]

4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

You know you've packed it when you see this.......

Oh stfu mike

[90siouxfan]

Salty Mike is getting people fired up....   

[UND-FB-FAN]

Coaching never wins games but it can lose them. Players win the games. Major caveat being the coaches recruit the players.

Today, I didn’t see anything schematically (i.e., coaching) that lost UND the game. I saw a significant differential in player ability as we all should have expected. NDSU has way better players; that was the difference.

For UND to get to NDSU’s level, recruiting and player development needs to improve. Facilities and institutional support is a key component of this; it’s all connected. Thus, one could argue HPC Phase II still remains the most important piece yet to be possessed. 

I will say, though, that the coaches do need to keep recruiting and get better players or else NDSU will continue to dominante Head-to-Head matchups. 

Analytically, UND couldn’t stop NDSU QB run game and UND couldn’t run the ball or hit big pass plays. Why? Without getting into X’s and O’s, NDSU quite frankly had better players. NDSU’s QB is better than UND’s outside linebackers. UND’s dbs couldn’t tackle well; need to be better. And UND’s receivers, although experienced, are not big play guys. Need to get better. QB, RB, and OL are also positions that are just not good enough right now.

 

[Sioux>Bison]

Today sucked but my hope isn’t over until the next few weeks take place. If we pull off some wins I think we can forget this game. If we spiral down hill it will be a killer for this program. We will see what this team is made of and I reserve long term judgment until then.

how do we get elite athletes like NDSU has it will take more than just a new coach. It will take success on the field. This season is far from over.

[MDtoGF]

Some thoughts on UND-NDSU, the good, the not so good and the now what. https://seamoresports.com/2019/09/08/the-good-not-so-good-and-now-what/

[Siouxphan27]

So in summary of all the comments on here, if we just get better players, a better coaching staff with better schemes, a better practice facility, a better strength and conditioning program, and a better nutritional program, we’ll be set.  

Sweet!

 

 

[darell1976]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Honestly, one of the most stupid, ignorant statements anyone from UND can say (although it gets said a lot). Definitely a pet peeve of mine. 

Well there was a UND fan wearing a Sioux hockey jersey during KVLY’s fan cam segment. Plus probably half the crowd cheer for UND hockey so the sign isn’t all that surprising.