FCS 2019 Playoffs

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Today's lesson in Homerism 101 brought to you by the letters W, T, and F.  

so the throw was backwards...but it wasnt' a fumble???? what the hell is wrong with people in fargo

[Hammersmith]

16 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Today's lesson in Homerism 101 brought to you by the letters W, T, and F.  

LMAO. Dude, you are one of the posters on here that gives graduate classes in that subject.

[sioux rube]

28 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

And yours as well.  Cheers. 

Cheers to you also 

[Hammersmith]

49 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

I never said it went a full yard back. It was slight but looked pretty clearly a lateral at the least to me.

The full yard back comment wasn't directed at you. Couple other posters here were saying that.

 

Here's a comment from an actual official about the play and the philosophy. The guy is a HS, DII & DIII official that tries to explain things to BV rubes that are as bad about understanding officiating calls as the rubes here(or any other fan site).

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First, there is no such thing as a lateral. Every pass is either forward or backward. Lateral is an announcer word and since most people (including coaches) get their rules knowledge from announcers they use the word lateral. Second, the side announcers were wrong with the location references when they analyzed it. The back foot of the passer was on the big line and the arm is generally above that foot or behind it when he releases it. The receiver was straddling that line when he attempted to catch it and it came into the middle of his body. Third, when it's very close like that, the default call is forward and not backward to avoid a cheap turnover.

If that was obviously backward replay can get involved and change the call since there was an immediate recovery. They did not do that. It wasn't obviously forward, but that is the right call in that situation.

 

[Siouxphan27]

21 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so the throw was backwards...but it wasnt' a fumble???? what the hell is wrong with people in fargo

they can't do simple math, they pee on sidewalks, logic escapes them, etc, etc.....

[Siouxphan27]

8 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:

LMAO. Dude, you are one of the posters on here that gives graduate classes in that subject.

Imagine that; on a site called SIOUXSPORTS, someone supporting their team.  Hmm...  

You got a gift today.  Too bad you guys can't just admit that.  But for some reason,  you feel the need to come over to siouxsports and preach a long thesis that completely contradicts itself.    

[tnt]

That is the kind of call you can get at home in a playoff event.  The NCAA doesn’t seem to care as much about that kind of advantage when it means making more money at the FCS level. They don’t want competitive disadvantage at FBS, but money seems to take precedent at FCS.

[homer]

2 hours ago, Hammersmith said:

 

The replay is now available on ESPN. It wasn't a low throw, and it is super tough to tell if it went backward or not. If it was backwards, it was by about 3 inches over 20 yards.The play is at 1:14:45.

Lance threw it with his back foot just in front of the 45 on the near hash. His throwing arm was slightly behind his foot because of the direction he was throwing the ball, so the ball was released either directly over the 45 or maybe an inch or two in front of it. The receiver was about five yards beyond the far hash, facing towards Lance and with both of his feet close together just barely behind the 45 and his body leaning slightly forward. The ball hit him right in the gut, which was directly over the 45.

The idea that the ball was a full yard back is idiotic, and mostly due to misremembering and some moron announcers that think they know the rules but don't. If this was a higher profile game with a rules specialist on standby(like NFL or big college games), the official would have said that the officiating philosophy for situations like this is that the ball must be clearly moving backwards before it becomes a fumble. This throw might have been ever so slightly backwards, but that wouldn't be enough; especially on review. Very close call, but ruled correctly on the field. 

If your basing it on a yard marker the lines aren’t even straight in your facility yet are they?  Looked backwards to me but that’s the break you get at home 

[UND1983]

Can we get a game time stamp of when that play happened?  I am a big time expert and will review it for everyone.

[Siouxperman8]

3 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Hmm..I wasn't around back then.  But I just looked at the playoff brackets from every natty the herd won in the 80's and 1990 and they didn't win a single game by 3 or 4 points.  Could have always scored another late touchdown or something afterwards.  It happens.

I'm thinking football had a lot of goofy stuff back in the day, a lot of which probably went fairly unnoticed since no replays.

 

Might have a flawed memory but will look for it. 
 

did they win any by 5?  I remember 7 points the other way would have sealed it. 
 

 

[JohnboyND7]

22 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Might have a flawed memory but will look for it. 
 

did they win any by 5?  I remember 7 points the other way would have sealed it. 
 

 

The score was 9-0. That would have made it 9-7. The rest of the is different after that.  Heck had it happened later in the game I might be more inclined to give it more value.

The official guy on Bisonville gave a nice explanation for how officials handle that call. Had they called it a fumble, I dont think anyone would have had valid grounds to complain

[crb1]

So this was the mighty Bison football team today. They won but certainly not impressively and albeit at home. I don’t know if they will be able to take down JMU should that chance come. I feel bad for Illinois as they really got hosed on that fumble call. 

[Siouxperman8]

2 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

The score was 9-0. That would have made it 9-7. The rest of the is different after that.  Heck had it happened later in the game I might be more inclined to give it more value.

The official guy on Bisonville gave a nice explanation for how officials handle that call. Had they called it a fumble, I dont think anyone would have had valid grounds to complain

Sorry I was still talking about the game from my younger years.

I found the game I was looking for.  It was 1982 against Virginia Union.  I was wrong in that they didn't win the NC that year.  Here is the write up from NDSU football guide.  looks like SU was down 6 with a couple minutes left when the inadvertent whistle occurred.  

1982 NCAA Quarterfinal FARGO, ND--North Dakota State hosted an NCAA playoff game for the first time since 1977 and the Bison were rewarded with a scary 21-20 opening-round victory over Virginia Union. The Bison scored two fourth-quarter TDs including a 1-yard run by Jeff Willis with 1:06 remaining in the game to pull out the win. NDSU trailed 20-7 early in the final stanza before holding the Panthers inside the Bison 40. The Herd then marched 59 yards in four plays with Mark Nellermoe hitting two big passes in the drive to Stacy Robinson and Jeff Conley. On the next possession, the Bison marched 80 yards in 16 plays for the game winner. The series was marred by an inadvertant whistle by an official on an apparent Virginia Union pass interception, and the ball was returned to the Bison on the Panther 14- yard line. The Bison scored four plays later. Virginia Union scored fi rst and had a 12-0 lead before the Bison's Jim Dick blocked a punt that was downed on the Union 2-yard line. Nellermoe took it in from the 1 on the next play.

 

 

 

 

 

[JohnboyND7]

36 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Sorry I was still talking about the game from my younger years.

I found the game I was looking for.  It was 1982 against Virginia Union.  I was wrong in that they didn't win the NC that year.  Here is the write up from NDSU football guide.  looks like SU was down 6 with a couple minutes left when the inadvertent whistle occurred.  

1982 NCAA Quarterfinal FARGO, ND--North Dakota State hosted an NCAA playoff game for the first time since 1977 and the Bison were rewarded with a scary 21-20 opening-round victory over Virginia Union. The Bison scored two fourth-quarter TDs including a 1-yard run by Jeff Willis with 1:06 remaining in the game to pull out the win. NDSU trailed 20-7 early in the final stanza before holding the Panthers inside the Bison 40. The Herd then marched 59 yards in four plays with Mark Nellermoe hitting two big passes in the drive to Stacy Robinson and Jeff Conley. On the next possession, the Bison marched 80 yards in 16 plays for the game winner. The series was marred by an inadvertant whistle by an official on an apparent Virginia Union pass interception, and the ball was returned to the Bison on the Panther 14- yard line. The Bison scored four plays later. Virginia Union scored fi rst and had a 12-0 lead before the Bison's Jim Dick blocked a punt that was downed on the Union 2-yard line. Nellermoe took it in from the 1 on the next play.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh that was my bad. Good find! 

[Wilbur]

So was the play in question reviewed by the booth officials or did they just keep playing?

Hey!  We beat Montana State with half our defense hurt, and they're a final four team.  

Why only 14,000 at the dome?  Doesn't it hold 19?  Did they catch our attendance virus?

[MafiaMan]

8 hours ago, Wilbur said:

Why only 14,000 at the dome?  Doesn't it hold 19?  

Fishing opener.  Wait, my bad.  Snowmobile opener.  

[bison73]

19 hours ago, crb1 said:

So this was the mighty Bison football team today. They won but certainly not impressively and albeit at home. I don’t know if they will be able to take down JMU should that chance come. I feel bad for Illinois as they really got hosed on that fumble call. 

Actually it was impressive. James Robinson had gains over 500 yards in the previous two playoff game. We held him to 97 yards. Plus ISU only converted 3 first downs. What was the most impressive was the switch to a field position strategy and putting it on the back of the defense.

[homer]

16 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Actually it was impressive. James Robinson had gains over 500 yards in the previous two playoff game. We held him to 97 yards. Plus ISU only converted 3 first downs. What was the most impressive was the switch to a field position strategy and putting it on the back of the defense.

Bold strategy to change offensive philosophy in a quarter final game.  Lol

[Irish]

30 minutes ago, homer said:

Bold strategy to change offensive philosophy in a quarter final game.  Lol

A bold move - going "Full Rudy".

[Oxbow6]

Just read this home playoff game vs the Cats is a sold out Fargodome

[SiouxVolley]

27 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Just read this home playoff game vs the Cats is a sold out Fargodome

The Bobcat board says it was them who bought thousands of tickets.

Since MSU lost to UND, that signifies a ho-hum game to bison faithful.  Save their money for frisco.

[Sioux>Bison]

3 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Just read this home playoff game vs the Cats is a sold out Fargodome

Must have been McFeely himself that motivated Bison nation to actually show up to playoff games.......

[CMSioux]

su claiming sell-out - hoping to see heads explode and Fargo media meltdown when they discover that Montana State fans travel and a sea of blue and gold fans is the reason for the sell-out. 

[oldSioux]

13 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

su claiming sell-out - hoping to see heads explode and Fargo media meltdown when they discover that Montana State fans travel and a sea of blue and gold fans is the reason for the sell-out. 

This^ I am optimistic about this MSU team as well, I would argue they are a different beast then when we saw them last. Hoping for a great game and maybe some parody for the National Championship. MSU fans haven't seen a Semi-final game since 1984. Expect them to be energetic. 

[geaux_sioux]

40 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

su claiming sell-out - hoping to see heads explode and Fargo media meltdown when they discover that Montana State fans travel and a sea of blue and gold fans is the reason for the sell-out. 

How many false starts will NDSU have?