Conference Realignments - Take 2

[Bison Dan]

4 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

NDSU already allocates almost 2/3's of their scholarship money and athletic opportunities to the men's side.
What additional women's sports do these fans want to see to help balance that out?

It doesn't seem that the NCAA has any problem with it - why do you?

[Sioux>Bison]

7 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Back in the day people severely overestimated how it would work to "go D1".  They related it to playing North Carolina in basketball, Texas in baseball - every year.  Not the Summit League and FCS football.  Then UND went and beat UNI in 2006 and people figured it out pretty quick that it wasn't Alabama and Ohio State. 

Which is why I say now that leaving to go FBS and play in the MWC is not that big of a deal and would be very underwhelming for any FCS fanbase.  The most excitement would in the first 4 non-conference games.

I don’t think playing in the MWC for football would be underwhelming at all. It would be a step up from the MVFC with the addition of 0-2 P5 games per year. Maybe an FBS football only league could be created that could leave the rest of the sports in the Summit……????

[Sioux>Bison]

24 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

This is the same stuff that was said when NDSU went FCS.  As far as the NC - been there done that, multiple times.  Playing G5 and P5 teams are what most fans want now.

You keep skipping over the problem of all the other sports teams at NDSU!!!!  That’s where the main financial burden is to move all sports to the MWC!!!!! 
 

NDSU football could financially make it at the FBS level but can they finance the rest of the athletic department????? It would be very difficult!!!! Way more than 2 million a year that you are complaining about.

[The Sicatoka]

11 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

It doesn't seem that the NCAA has any problem with it - why do you?

It's not the NCAA you worry about; it's a Federal Title IX lawsuit. 

[The Sicatoka]

Not long ago the board chatter was it'd take about an additional $2-$4 million annually for an FCS to jump to FBS. Where'd that go? It always seemed to come up if @SiouxVolley even thought the letters F-B-S. 

[gfhockey]

I see the bison ad was asked point blank if they have been contacted and he has said NO

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

It doesn't seem that the NCAA has any problem with it - why do you?

It doesn't matter what you or I think.  All it takes is an interest on campus and a push with the annual survey and NDSU would need to account for those interests.  So, if a group of hockey playing ladies wanted that opportunity.  NDSU would need to add or start to explore new programs which is the danger with the approach that NDSU takes in meeting Title 9 compliance.  It's a risky and potentially expensive roll of the dice..

[Sioux>Bison]

44 minutes ago, FSSD said:

It doesn't matter what you or I think.  All it takes is an interest on campus and a push with the annual survey and NDSU would need to account for those interests.  So, if a group of hockey playing ladies wanted that opportunity.  NDSU would need to add or start to explore new programs which is the danger with the approach that NDSU takes in meeting Title 9 compliance.  It's a risky and potentially expensive roll of the dice..

now you are getting a little too complicated for simple Dan……

if the Bison are going to send us a troll you would think they would send their finest……. Nope we get Dan……..

 

[Kab]

Right now I’m more interested in seeing how fall enrollment ends up,for both schools

the number I will look for is students on campus and not online students 

hard for online students to attend many functions at either school

 

[nodakvindy]

6 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

It doesn't seem that the NCAA has any problem with it - why do you?

The NCAA may not, but the Department of Education might. Have fun with that. 

[bison73]

6 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Not long ago the board chatter was it'd take about an additional $2-$4 million annually for an FCS to jump to FBS. Where'd that go? It always seemed to come up if @SiouxVolley even thought the letters F-B-S. 

NDSU was fully funded. UND is not. May that is the disparity.

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, bison73 said:

NDSU was fully funded. UND is not. May that is the disparity.

Fully funded at FCS.  

[nd1sufan]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Fully funded at FCS.  

Depends on what you mean by fully funded. NDSU’s football budget is much higher than UND’s. NDSU’s football budget is closer to a G5 budget than UND’s. Plus the extra media revenue from even the bottom of FBS would make up the difference.

[UND1983]

12 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Depends on what you mean by fully funded. NDSU’s football budget is much higher than UND’s. NDSU’s football budget is closer to a G5 budget than UND’s. Plus the extra media revenue from even the bottom of FBS would make up the difference.

What does UND have to do with what I wrote?  I said NDSU is supposedly full funded at FCS level.  They are not at the FBS level, because they are not FBS.  

[UND1983]

Add those 20+ scholarships to FB and then they also need to be added to the women's side. 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

und ndsu usd sdsu and ust need to be bundled together. fbs or fcs. 

[Bison Dan]

9 hours ago, nodakvindy said:

The NCAA may not, but the Department of Education might. Have fun with that. 

Same arguments you guys had 12 years ago - how'd that work out?

[jdub27]

10 hours ago, bison73 said:

NDSU was fully funded. UND is not. May that is the disparity.

For 2019:
UND gave out $5.5 million though 208 full equivalencies to 328 student athletes.
NDSU gave out $4.8 million 180 full equivalencies to 323 student athletes.
 

Further details:
UND gave $3.1 million to 176 males (116.5 full equivalancies) and $2.3 million to 152 females (91.5 equivalencies). 56-57% going to men with the remainder to women

NDSU gave $3.0 million to 204 males (111 full equivalancies) and $1.8 million to 119 females (69 full equivalancies). 62-63% going to men with the remainder to women

Adding 20 additional scholarships to the mens side would officially have NDSU's athletic department giving twice as much student aid to men vs. women.

EDIT: Removed UND 2020 info and added 2019 info for a better comparison

[SWSiouxMN]

2 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

und ndsu usd sdsu and ust need to be bundled together. fbs or fcs. 

Sidebar here on St. Thomas. They are going to be a Summit power in multiple sports sooner rather than later.  They already are recruiting at a high level in MBB.  

 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

15 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Sidebar here on St. Thomas. They are going to be a Summit power in multiple sports sooner rather than later.  They already are recruiting at a high level in MBB.  

 

They’ll be alright in the pioneer league too

[SWSiouxMN]

It is done

Texas Longhorns, Oklahoma Sooners unanimously accept invitation to SEC (espn.com)

Now the big question:  When do they move?

[Goon]

I don't know if anyone has seen this: 

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No program at the FCS level has been as dominant as North Dakota State over the last decade or so. Their resume of FCS dominance and national titles under three different head coaches recently doesn't need reviewed, but remember back in 2016 when a darn good NDSU squat beat #13 Iowa and the Bison nearly cracked the FBS top 25 the next week with 74 votes in the AP Poll?

Perhaps the time has come for NDSU test their chops at the FBS level. 

According to the Nielsen DMA Rankings used to measure media markets, Fargo is home to 116th strongest market in the country. While that may seem low, the home of the Bison is ranked just ahead of Eugene, OR and just below Lansing, MI when it comes to available media viewers.

 

 

[jdub27]

On 7/28/2021 at 2:38 PM, Bison Dan said:

By the way the MWC has been talking to NDSU for the last 6 months.  Don't know if anything will come of it but their interested. 

So is Larsen lying? And if he is, then maybe he's lying about whatever being "well-positioned" is.*
Or maybe you just don't have a clue.

 

*For the record, the well-positioned comment specifically related to facilities, support staff, etc. And NDSU is not in much of a different league than quite a few of its peers.

[zonadub]

When you take a look at the geography, and I do this with tongue planted firmly into cheek, MAC is too far east, MWC is even farther west…

 

 

So, why not Big 12? Their wrestling team can lead them into the promised land.

Actually, Fargo is larger than Lawrence, KS, Manhattan, KS, Ames, IA, Stillwater, OK and Morgantown, WV. And the F-M metro is bigger than Waco, TX.

Heck, even Grand Forks is bigger than Manhattan, KS and Morgantown, WV… 

So why not both UND and NDSU? Then if you also add SDSU (close enough to Sioux Falls) and St Thomas, the Big 12 is back to 12 teams.   

[Nodak78]

NCAA Board of Governors took historic step today to convene a special constitutional convention in November w/action expected to be taken at NCAA’s scheduled Convention in January. Committee will provide recommendations for restructuring NCAA across all 3 divisions