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3 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Here's what I can't believe...that people honestly think that life on planet earth is more dangerous to humans today than it was a month ago, 2 months ago, 3 months ago, 4 months ago, 6 months ago, one year ago, two years ago.

Easy to say that living in North Dakota.  

 

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1 minute ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Easy to say that living in North Dakota.  

 

Yet here we are, ruining the North Dakota economy. 

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1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Strength of the Herd?

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You would think with all the window licking and mouth breathing that many would be immune to almost anything by now.

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34 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

What narrative? That we have double the positives coming in than we had a few weeks ago? Condolences to those that are passing away as in a couple weeks the daily death toll is also going up.

This is why STEM classes need to be mandatory through high school and college.

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5 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Easy to say that living in North Dakota.  

Except that, if this was a global killer, there'd be a lot more dead people. Everywhere. I haven't seen anyone characterize this virus as a global killer.

Persons who died "from" COVID were going to die. They were susceptible to a virus; some more classically so than others, but I think their deaths are proof. If not this one, then possibly the next one. But to ignore the SURVIVAL rate is to discount human resilience altogether. Not all of us will succumb to this virus, any virus, or any pathogen. It is delusional to think that one susceptible to COVID will miraculously survive merely by delaying infection. Among the sick and infirm, what is the efficacy rate for vaccination going to be?

Death has a 100% success rate, COVID does not.

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1 minute ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Yet here we are, ruining the North Dakota economy. 

Which makes it all the more crazy ND isn't opening up.    

 

 

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16 minutes ago, petey23 said:

This is why STEM classes need to be mandatory through high school and college.

You could always go back if you need to learn some simple math?

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26 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said:

Except that, if this was a global killer, there'd be a lot more dead people. Everywhere. I haven't seen anyone characterize this virus as a global killer.

Persons who died "from" COVID were going to die. They were susceptible to a virus; some more classically so than others, but I think their deaths are proof. If not this one, then possibly the next one. But to ignore the SURVIVAL rate is to discount human resilience altogether. Not all of us will succumb to this virus, any virus, or any pathogen. It is delusional to think that one susceptible to COVID will miraculously survive merely by delaying infection. Among the sick and infirm, what is the efficacy rate for vaccination going to be?

Death has a 100% success rate, COVID does not.

 

Now you're moving the goalposts.  

You initially asked if "global life is more dangerous".  Yes it is.   Death rates (Covid and 'extra') are significantly higher than in recent years, and places that are hit hard are truly reeling.  Big time.    This does not mean Covid is some all-encompassing global black death-like killer.  It's not.   

Again, it's easy to sit in Grand Forks, removed from the death of the situation, and spout off about "if people die they die".

       

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3 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

You could always go back if you need to learn some simple math?

The number of positive tests is pretty much irrelevant on its own without context.  The percentage of positive tests is much more important and statistically relevant.   If you do 100x the tests of the prior day of course the total positives will be higher.

The numbers the last week have been very encouraging in ND.

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23 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Which makes it all the more crazy ND isn't opening up.    

 

 

Agreed. However, there’s too many ‘the sky is falling’ individuals to allow that to happen 

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2 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

The number of positive tests is pretty much irrelevant on its own without context.  The percentage of positive tests is much more important and statistically relevant.   If you do 100x the tests of the prior day of course the total positives will be higher.

The numbers the last week have been very encouraging in ND.

6 deaths in one day is encouraging? 

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1 minute ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Agreed. However, there’s too many ‘the sky is falling’ individuals to allow that to happen 

Are you guys in grand forks? Seems pretty hopping to me. 

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4 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

6 deaths in one day is encouraging? 

Do we need to get to zero?

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3 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

6 deaths in one day is encouraging? 

That's a lagging indicator, and if the folks were under 90 and healthy it would be a bit more concerning when restarting the economy.   Further evidence of the population most at risk and the population which needs the most reasonable protection.

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On 5/6/2020 at 1:07 PM, jdub27 said:

I'd disagree with that. It isn't recommendations from epidemiologists that is causing them to open things up right now, it the continuous mounting of collateral damage.

I guess that would be the logical conclusion that would show how they ended up an asymptomatic carrier, but it doesn't change the end result or the point: Unless you are going to isolate all caregivers, then isolating the vulnerable doesn't really work for the exact same reason. If it was a true lockdown, than anyone who was exposed to someone who worked at LM would have also been quarantined. Instead, they only required the workers to be quarantined (which was questionably followed by more than a few) and those that lived with them had no restrictions and were able to continue to be exposed to others.

I'm not saying what is right or wrong in the scenario, just making the point that claiming the simple solution to just "isolate the vulnerable" is not answer nor is "keep everyone locked down for months at a time". It has to be somewhere in the middle and with the understanding that lives will be lost no matter which direction things go.

'Lockdowns' do work if implemented correctly.  Lockdowns aren't meant to go on forever, or be a solution.  They are implemented to buy time to formulate a solution.   

Unfortunately, we half-a$$ed the process.  This country locked down... and, well, that it.   We've done nothing with the time we bought.   No mass testing, no mass tracing, no containment strategy and no congruent plan of action.    

...and here we sit in a much worse situation than we could have been; both in terms of economics and death count.    

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48 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Yet here we are, ruining the North Dakota economy. 

Covid ruined ND's economy?  The Saudi's, Russians, and Trump killed ND Ag and oil, not Covid.

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7 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

If you bet the over you win a free mask from Old Fella.......another 3.17M filed unemployment claims last week.

33+M unemployed since this country pushed all it's chips in the middle with the lockdown.

#wehavebeenFauci'd

Tired of all this winning yet?  #TrumpDepression

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20 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Now you're moving the goalposts.  

You initially asked if "global life is more dangerous".  Yes it is.   Death rates (Covid and 'extra') are significantly higher than in recent years, and places that are hit hard are truly reeling.  Big time.    This does not mean Covid is some all-encompassing global black death-like killer.  It's not.   

Again, it's easy to sit in Grand Forks, removed from the death of the situation, and spout off about "if people die they die".

Wrong, and wrong.

I moved nothing. If people in NYC woke up in March, or April, or May thinking that they are somehow more vulnerable to the human condition, then that's their problem.  We're all on the same ride.

NO - the odds of a human being dying are, and always have been, 100%  Period.  End of Story.  The only part of the story that has yet to be written is the middle.

It saddens me that so many people are in complete denial of their own mortality.  It really is liberating to realize that nothing else matters.  Live your lives, folks.  Your COVID could be right around the corner.

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10 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

That's a lagging indicator, and if the folks were under 90 and healthy it would be a bit more concerning when restarting the economy.   Further evidence of the population most at risk and the population which needs the most reasonable protection.

I understand it’s a lagging indicator it correlates more to infections from a couple weeks ago when supposedly we had less infected. 

 

And yet we we still haven’t figured out how exactly to protect the population most at risk.

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8 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

Covid ruined ND's economy?  The Saudi's, Russians, and Trump killed ND Ag and oil, not Covid.

But of course...

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2 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

And yet we we still haven’t figured out how exactly to protect the population most at risk.

Unfortunately that's life. Flu, stroke, cancer, dementia.  Everyone can't be saved.  I think the steps being taken in that regard are pretty darn good.  There isn't a great answer to protection of folks who are already higher compromised from a health perspective. 

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Let's talk mortality for a second.

Does anyone think that life expectancy for a NYC resident has actually shortened due to COVID?  Say, one year ago, a 45 year old male had X% likelihood of dying within 12 months from a communicable disease, as opposed to all other causes, or to none at all (i.e, survival).  Today, that likelihood is X*Y, wherein Y is a multiple representing an appropriate adjustment for COVID.  What is Y?  Is it even perceptible?

Same exercise for a 55 year old, and a 65 year old.  What are their Y values?

Does anyone honestly believe that the actual danger of dying has increased in any appreciable way?

And then throw wearing a mask into the equation, just for kicks.

Perception is a powerful tool, but I like my chances sticking with math.

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34 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

6 deaths in one day is encouraging? 

I thought there were none today?

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21 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:

Tired of all this winning yet?  #TrumpDepression

I suppose it is alot to ask of a certain segment to objectively look at the Covid situation when they are still butt hurt about an election that occurred 3.5 years ago. 

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