Non-UND FCS Thread

[petey23]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Does anyone recall Bison fans drooling over a kid from Carrington who was drafted by Minnesota, or any other UND players that got drafted? It works both ways there are Bison fans who don't care about UND players from college on, and there are UND fans who don't care about Bison players from college on...unless he is on your fantasy team.

Most Bison fans I know were very deferential to Jimmy K and said he was the best college football player they had seen. For me I never root against athletes unless they are classless and I will most certainly be a fan of a ND kid no matter where he played college ball.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, Bison06 said:

That's not exactly how it works. In fact, I believe Carson will be under even more scrutiny in the scouting process due to the "disadvantage" of coming from an FCS school. People will view him with a much more skeptic eye and if after that additional scrutiny he still gets drafted where he is currently projected, it will be that much more impressive to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't looked it up. But has an FCS player ever been drafted in the top 10?

Air McNair and Sweetness were top 5 I believe.

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, darell1976 said:

Does anyone recall Bison fans drooling over a kid from Carrington who was drafted by Minnesota, or any other UND players that got drafted? It works both ways there are Bison fans who don't care about UND players from college on, and there are UND fans who don't care about Bison players from college on...unless he is on your fantasy team.

It's called taking the high road. Just because they drag successful UND players through the mud does not mean we have to do the same.

[F'n Hawks]

Just now, petey23 said:

Most Bison fans I know were very deferential to Jimmy K and said he was the best college football player they had seen. For me I never root against athletes unless they are classless and I will most certainly be a fan of a ND kid no matter where he played college ball.

But there are some Sioux fans that  aren't against Carson and there are some that are, he is a legitimate NFL prospect and we will just have to wait and see what he does in the NFL

[CMSioux]

Let me get this straight, you want UND football fans to laud an FU player - gosh I'm thinking if you went to an Auburn fan site and asked them to laud an Alabama quarterback you might read some comments that couldn't be printed here. Why is it so important to get affirmations from us - our bison guests quite often tell us how wrong and how much they don't respect our opinions anyway? 

[nd1sufan]

8 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Let me get this straight, you want UND football fans to laud an FU player - gosh I'm thinking if you went to an Auburn fan site and asked them to laud an Alabama quarterback you might read some comments that couldn't be printed here. Why is it so important to get affirmations from us - our bison guests quite often tell us how wrong and how much they don't respect our opinions anyway? 

I for one am pulling for Caggiula and Boeser to have great NHL careers. I hope Ratelle gets a shot at an NFL roster and hope he makes it. They all seem like good kids. I don't know why most of you can't see Wentz's talent and pull for him to have a good NFL career. 

[sioux rube]

14 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Let me get this straight, you want UND football fans to laud an FU player - gosh I'm thinking if you went to an Auburn fan site and asked them to laud an Alabama quarterback you might read some comments that couldn't be printed here. Why is it so important to get affirmations from us - our bison guests quite often tell us how wrong and how much they don't respect our opinions anyway? 

I don't need any affirmations from UND folks but I really thought since Carson is from our great state that it would be different. I was wrong. No biggie. Looking forward to draft day whether I will be in Chicago or Bismarck for it. Once in a lifetime experience having a family member possibly going in the first round. 

[F'n Hawks]

22 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

I for one am pulling for Caggiula and Boeser to have great NHL careers. I hope Ratelle gets a shot at an NFL roster and hope he makes it. They all seem like good kids. I don't know why most of you can't see Wentz's talent and pull for him to have a good NFL career. 

All the bad talk about wentz is just ridiculous. I wish nothing but the best for him the rest of the way

[petey23]

52 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Let me get this straight, you want UND football fans to laud an FU player - gosh I'm thinking if you went to an Auburn fan site and asked them to laud an Alabama quarterback you might read some comments that couldn't be printed here. Why is it so important to get affirmations from us - our bison guests quite often tell us how wrong and how much they don't respect our opinions anyway? 

You can do what you want. I will always pull for a ND kid. I don't root against athletes and while I don't care about guys who played at NDSU who are in the NFL now who aren't from the area I would like to see Carson do well since he is a Bismarck kid and I also want to see Connor McGovern from Fargo do well too. I do take pride in kids from other areas who excel at UND and go onto have pro careers whether it is in hockey, basketball or football.

 

As I have always said with regards to the Bison.....it is their few rotten thousands of fans who ruin it for the other 20.

[bang]

51 minutes ago, petey23 said:

True, but the same experts back in November said that if you are looking for a starting qb in this draft you are out of luck.

QB is the main focus of every team and those who cover football and Carson has elevated himself to the top of this draft class. Best scenario for him is to go to a team with a starting QB at the end of his career(Dallas) and he can step in when ready.

Very few QB's are starters right out of College and dare I say none of them including Manning were good in thier first year. I would like to see Wentz have some success. If he gets drafted in the first round I assure you he will get his chance to prove himself. 

[82SiouxGuy]

"We" don't have to celebrate a kid just because he is from North Dakota. I choose which teams and players I want to root for or against. You can choose to root for or celebrate whomever you would like, but don't keep telling us that we have to root for someone just because they are from North Dakota. I didn't celebrate or root for the Potulny boys when they tried to make it in the NHL and they were from Grand Forks. How many of you were rooting for them? I don't plan to root for Wentz. If he makes it, good for him. If he doesn't, he will fit in with the 99.9% that aren't successful in the NFL. Wentz is trying to be successful in a career where very few are actually successful. How many good NFL quarterbacks are actually playing right now? Maybe 15 or 20? Definitely less than 25. That includes guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady that have been in the league for years. There are maybe 100 total QB jobs in the NFL. The reality of the situation is that the odds are stacked against Wentz being a successful starting quarterback. Most years only 1 or 2 really make it. Only time will tell if he is part of that 1 or 2. But I don't have to root for him.

[gundy1124]

2 hours ago, sioux rube said:

I don't need any affirmations from UND folks but I really thought since Carson is from our great state that it would be different. I was wrong. No biggie. Looking forward to draft day whether I will be in Chicago or Bismarck for it. Once in a lifetime experience having a family member possibly going in the first round. 

In the NFL, for the most part talent is even.  Carson just had 2-5 years in which his O-line and D-line dominated games, most every game.  An undeniable factor exists of what SU provided Carson vrs the NFL, which has a lack of one team dominating week in-and-out.  All QBs in the NFL have games where they'll get knocked around or where their defense doesn't dominate the field position game.  I am really indifferent as to his future success, but I am interested to see how it turns out.  Good luck to the young man.

[Longtime fan]

There's no question that wentz is talented. His measurements are very impressive:  6'6" 230 pds.  His athleticism is very much above average considering his size. He's a smart kid and very humbled from everything I've heard.  His work ethic is not questioned.  Big arm.  If he can get drafted by a team with a scheme that fits him best, I could see him excelling.  My only question in him is his decision making.  I don't follow ndsu so I have no idea how he's looked in games.  Only seen 3 qtrs of him vs und. 

[Siouxperman8]

Hard for me to say but what the heck - I hope he does well.

[CMSioux]

I never said I wasn't wishing him the best I just think it's unrealistic to come here with all the history of smack talk and try and ram it down our throats.  

[Hayduke]

Okay, as much as I rip on FU, I want CW to go as early in the first round as possible for two reasons.

1.  He's ftom North Dakota.  Good for the state.  

2.   He's an FCS player who played in Notth Dakota.  As UND improves with coaching and facilities and tries to recruit locally, it's important that local talent know they can  stay in state and get noticed.  Yeah, more of an advantage for the Fargo school now. But, we have a bright future.  

[Hawkster]

I never cheered for him at NDSU, but no reason not to in the NFL.     I know, it's hard to do but we still should try.

[Siouxphan27]

46 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

I never said I wasn't wishing him the best I just think it's unrealistic to come here with all the history of smack talk and try and ram it down our throats.  

The lovefest for Wentz should have its own thread.   Maybe call it Woods for Wentz. 

[bison73]

11 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

The lovefest for Wentz should have its own thread.   Maybe call it Woods for Wentz. 

Now thats funny I dont care who you are.

[iramurphy]

To the AC fans who have nothing better to do than read our blogs, I will preface my remarks with the confession in that according to some of the experts on this blog, I couldn't objectively evaluate a QB, so take this with a grain of salt.  On the other hand I have sat on the couch in Jerry Jones post game suite on numerous occasions while my son-in law was a two time pro-bowler with the Cowboys.  They are very interested in Wentz.  They took Romo out of Eastern Illinois and they look at the AC as being on the same level and they would be correct. They also have a long history of taking small school guys. Wentz has been successful against FBS competition when he faced them.   He has  size, athletic ability, speed and smarts.  He also has "it".  People gravitate to his leadership and personality.  I don't know who will draft him nor when.  Cowboys would be a great fit .   Jason Garrett was a QB and had a chance to coach him all week at Senior Bowl.  If he performs to his ability at the Combine and Pro Day he will likely be a top 10 pick.  He would likely learn the system under Romo for the next 2-3 years.   He was given the opportunity to develop like that at the AC under Brock Johnson and Vigen and if he can do that for 2-3 years in the NFL he could be very good. I am not an AC fan, but if you can't see the kids talent and potential, you don't know FB.  

Edited February 1, 2016 by iramurphy
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[Sioux>Bison]

4 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

I for one am pulling for Caggiula and Boeser to have great NHL careers. I hope Ratelle gets a shot at an NFL roster and hope he makes it. They all seem like good kids. I don't know why most of you can't see Wentz's talent and pull for him to have a good NFL career. 

Good luck to Wemtz but I just don't see it happening until he plays at the highest level and I see him perform. I could be wrong or right .

i like how you notice drakes and Brock's talent but I'm pretty sure caggs is not drafted. He is one of the best goal scores in college but does not quite have the ideal measure-ables for the nhl. Maybe now you see that anyone can be wrong when judging talent ! You need to be elite to perform well at qb in the nfl 

[Sioux>Bison]

5 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

If you're going to talk smack to me get your grammar correct. And yea, of course I'm compensating for my lame designs by suggesting that a local kid just might be a legit NFL QB prospect. Well done.

Quit your whining. You brought it on yourself. No one cares about grammar unless you work in merrifield hall. 

[Texas rancher]

20 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

To the AC fans who have nothing better to do than read our blogs, I will preface my remarks with the confession in that according to some of the experts on this blog, I couldn't objectively evaluate a QB, so take this with a grain of salt.  On the other hand I have sat on the couch in Jerry Jones post game suite on numerous occasions while my son-in law was a two time pro-bowler with the Cowboys.  They are very interested in Wentz.  They took Romo out of Northern Illinois and they look at the AC as being on the same level and they would be correct. They also have a long history of taking small school guys. Wentz has been successful against FBS competition when he faced them.   He has  size, athletic ability, speed and smarts.  He also has "it".  People gravitate to his leadership and personality.  I don't know who will draft him nor when.  Cowboys would be a great fit .   Jason Garrett was a QB and had a chance to coach him all week at Senior Bowl.  If he performs to his ability at the Combine and Pro Day he will likely be a top 10 pick.  He would likely learn the system under Romo for the next 2-3 years.   He was given the opportunity to develop like that at the AC under Brock Johnson and Vigen and if he can do that for 2-3 years in the NFL he could be very good. I am not an AC fan, but if you can't see the kids talent and potential, you don't know FB.  

Well, he actually went to eastern Illinois, and they are in fact in the exact same level as ndsu! So there is that I guess.

[iramurphy]

Just now, Texas rancher said:

Well, he actually went to eastern Illinois, and they are in fact in the exact same level as ndsu! So there is that I guess.

You are correct of course thanks for the correction.

[fightingsioux4life]

I think UND fans are just sick of hearing about Carson Wentz because we are just sick of having NDSU shoved down our throat 24/7/365. All you hear outside of the Grand Forks city limits is Bison this, Bison that. I have seen way too many people in Grand Forks wearing Bison gear. That never used to happen. But that is what happens when one school in North Dakota has stunning success at the Division I level and the other has a crappy transition period and is still struggling mightily in more than one sport. It is nauseating to see how far UND athletics has fallen over the past 10 years or so; our regional profile has never been worse and we risk losing an entire generation of fans both in-state and regionally. Bubba is getting FB turned around in a hurry, but other than that program and Men's Hockey, our programs are just "Meh".

Carson Wentz is not the real issue here, it's the frustration level that some of us are feeling with regard to the very different paths UND and NDSU have taken over the past 10 years. Whether Wentz can or will cut it in the NFL is just a proxy discussion connected to the 800 pound gorilla in the room that I just pointed out.