FCS Playoffs

[forksandspoons]

So did donors back the bid that was submitted? If so, could said donors move that money into an NIL collective? 

[ND-fan]

The fact is the NCAA created this division of football the problem is power now after last years defection of James Madison, Sam Houston and several teams over last few years now rests primarily in Big Sky and Missouri Valley. If they are going to keep this division viable need all these other conferences to have success advancing  in tournament you need regionalization guaranteeing these conferences reach closer to final . Also it helps these conferences to get home field advantages. I don’t see where this division goes in the future because this is basically what division II football was  40 to 50 years ago with large number of same schools. The solution for Big Sky and Missouri Valley is the top teams need to create FBS conference and getting themselves aligned with regional cable network to help fund a conference . If enough schools went they could have east and west conference with conference playoff again way for conference to succeed financially. They just need core couple of schools to work on this to get this organized. The rest of country is not very much interested or cares much about this region in the country so like may things we have here we need to develop this on our own and grow it into something special people would be very much interested in. Just my dream what we could become without having to fight politics and big interest of the coasts.

[Shawn-O]

48 minutes ago, petey23 said:

In a round about way you could almost say that UND got Holy Crossed....Weber should have been the 6 seed and Samford and UIW would have been the 7 and 8 and Holy Cross should have been unseeded. The Eastern Powers getting their way cost Weber a bye and cost us a home game.

Holy Cross ran the table, including an FBS win. I don't know how you don't reward that with a seed.   

[homer]

17 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

No one ln either the east coast or BSC are going to do any favors for the MVFC.  

6-5 Western Illinois getting in with “quality losses” vs a team with an FBS quality win.  
 

it’s happened before

[JohnboyND7]

2 minutes ago, homer said:

6-5 Western Illinois getting in with “quality losses” vs a team with an FBS quality win.  
 

it’s happened before

The whole 6-5 thing is the dumbest thing ever.  Were they one of the best teams available?  Maybe.  But I'm sorry, if you lose almost as much as you win, you have no business being in the playoffs absent a conference title.

[nodakvindy]

45 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

your formula is too easy for the dummy's at the ncaa...makes too much sense

his formula is exactly what the NCAA did.

[Siouxperfan7]

Silver lining....This has provided a nice distraction from arguing about the game result Saturday to arguing about the playoff committee decisions!! 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

25 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

No one ln either the east coast or BSC are going to do any favors for the MVFC.  

FAVORS, of course not, that's smells of the old Scotch Whiskey / Cigars.
You comment sure makes it sound like possible favors to some could be given, but not MVFC.
There is absolutely a window left open for the committee to use subjective criteria in the decision making process. 
Also, the inconsistency of these decisions by selection committee?
Some serious questions on here to no smoke in the room.

[Bison Dan]

2 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

FAVORS, of course not, that's smells of the old Scotch Whiskey / Cigars.
You comment sure makes it sound like possible favors to some could be given, but not MVFC.
There is absolutely a window left open for the committee to use subjective criteria in the decision making process. 
Also, the inconsistency of these decisions by selection committee?
Some serious questions on here to no smoke in the room.

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

[UNDColorado]

6 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Silver lining....This has provided a nice distraction from arguing about the game result Saturday to arguing about the playoff committee decisions!! 

Definitely some truth to this.

[Siouxperman8]

3 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

The next game has nothing to do with this discussion.  Based on criteria that has been used 'forever' in awarding first round FCS games UND should be at home.  It is the classic moving the goalposts. Winning or losing next week will do nothing to justify that decision. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

As I mentioned before: MBB, WIH, and MIH were all hit with questionable decisions made by the NCAA.

It not a coincidence

Please expound. Examples appreciated. 

[The Sicatoka]

Massey ratings applied to 2022 FCS bracket delivered by NCAA:

Left side
(27 v 41) v 2
(28 v 37) v 9
(30 v 44) v 8
(4 v 15) v 3

Right side
(10 v 19) v 5
(25 v 13) v 6
(11 v 18) v 7
(20 v 93) v 1 

Looks like Massey4 took the short end and got no bye. Oh, wait, that's Weber. 

[Shawn-O]

You think this is bad, think if UT-Martin wins that coin flip.   

[FSSD]

5 hours ago, Gothmog said:

I doubt that there's any conspiracy against UND. In any case, UND can only control 2 things ... its W-L record and its bid. I don't know what your bid, or other school's bids actually were, but I do know that 7 wins is considered the bare minimum for an at-large bid. UND can, and should, do better than that. It's up to UND to prove the selection commitee wrong...with a win in Ogden on Saturday. That's how you kick the door in.

You mean 6 D1 win right..

[SWSiouxMN]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Please expound. Examples appreciated. 

MBB:

Jaron Nash applies for a hardship because his dad was sick.  At the time, if you went to a school that was within a certain distance of home, you could get a waiver.   He could have been immediately eligible and could have played with the Huff/Anderson/Webb/Schuler/Brekke Group for two years.  Instead the NCAA said no, twice.

Sure, they gave him a 6th year... after Huff and all of them graduated... huh, how nice of them.

I thought the case with Karvinen and St. Clair was a bit more to it but it was a clearinghouse issue.  So the Nash case always sticks in my craw. 

[FSSD]

13 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

MBB:

Jaron Nash applies for a hardship because his dad was sick.  At the time, if you went to a school that was within a certain distance of home, you could get a waiver.   He could have been immediately eligible and could have played with the Huff/Anderson/Webb/Schuler/Brekke Group for two years.  Instead the NCAA said no, twice.

Sure, they gave him a 6th year... after Huff and all of them graduated... huh, how nice of them.

I thought the case with Karvinen and St. Clair was a bit more to it but it was a clearinghouse issue.  So the Nash case always sticks in my craw. 

Huff and Nash would have been nice!!  Was Hooker Fr. one year?

[SWSiouxMN]

3 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Huff and Nash would have been nice!!  Was Hooker Fr. one year?

It would have been nice for two years, Hookers freshman year was when Huff and company were seniors and the first year Nash was able to play.

 

[FSSD]

That would have been a silly fun team to watch.

[wheelsup]

4 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

Dear bison dan .. please share all of the details of the mighty bisons road record during the playoffs.. I can’t wait to hear it. I could share the details but it’s more fun for you to look it up. You guys have a great record in the Fargo dome… and a great record in Frisco.. but those road games .. tuff for everyone I guess.. 

[Hammersmith]

42 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

Dear bison dan .. please share all of the details of the mighty bisons road record during the playoffs.. I can’t wait to hear it. I could share the details but it’s more fun for you to look it up. You guys have a great record in the Fargo dome… and a great record in Frisco.. but those road games .. tuff for everyone I guess.. 

1-2 in FCS? What's so wrong with that? Generally if you're on the road in the playoffs after round 1, it's because you were already judged to be the lesser team. Why is it surprising to have a losing record in that case? It's not like the regular season where there's a level of randomness to the strength of the home vs away squads.

2010: unseeded; 1-1 on the road; defeated the 4th seed and lost to the 5th(eventual national champion)

2020: unseeded(only 16 teams & 4 seeds); 0-1 on the road; lost to the 2nd seed(eventual national champion)

 

Of course the 30-1 home record and 9-0 neutral site record are also both nice. Heck, even the single home loss was also to the eventual NC.

[wheelsup]

54 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:

1-2 in FCS? What's so wrong with that? Generally if you're on the road in the playoffs after round 1, it's because you were already judged to be the lesser team. Why is it surprising to have a losing record in that case? It's not like the regular season where there's a level of randomness to the strength of the home vs away squads.

2010: unseeded; 1-1 on the road; defeated the 4th seed and lost to the 5th(eventual national champion)

2020: unseeded(only 16 teams & 4 seeds); 0-1 on the road; lost to the 2nd seed(eventual national champion)

 

Of course the 30-1 home record and 9-0 neutral site record are also both nice. Heck, even the single home loss was also to the eventual NC.

sarcasm is lost on you people.. the point is even the great bison have a losing record on the road in the playoffs.

Nobody really gives a crap.. of course we want to win.. it just would be nicer to have a home playoff game..  just spare me the bs about crying.  If this had happened all of the bison fans would be whining at least as loud.  If you want to talk bison football go to bisonville with all of those great football minds.  

[Siouxperfan7]

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Student athlete experience" 

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

[Nodak78]

5 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Stedent athlete experience"

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

Like most things these days.

Either George orwelled or Alice in Wonderland.

Whatever works for the committee.  Time to move on and skin a wildcat Saturday following week skin a Bobcat,  William and Mary can't skin them just beat, then skin a jackrabbit.  Finally skin a Bison. 

[wheelsup]

50 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Student athlete experience" 

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

The big sky conference rep was clearly the best prepared negotiator in the room.. Im guessing the MVFC rep spent all of his negotiating skills getting the Bison up to the 3rd seed in order to get NDSU and SDSU on opposite sides of the bracket.  I would really like to hear how all of the conversations went..

• Big sky rep: - Hey.. Montana needs to get in based on their quality losses and no wins against teams with winning records..  Rest of the committee - Yep sounds good

Field is set based on regionalization etc.. other than noticeable outliers like Southeast Missouri State playing against Montana and Idaho playing against Southeastern Louisiana (seems like a long bus ride).. really nice matchups for the Big Sky.. Im a little surprised Idaho didnt end up with a home game.

• Big Sky rep: - time to open up those financial bids.. looks like Montana deserves a home game - Rest of the committee - Yep.. based on decades of precedence I agree
• Big Sky rep: - hey about that Weber state/UND game.. it seems like there are some other factors we should consider.. they were basically the 9th seed they need a home game we should ignore the financial component - Rest of committee - thats a great point.. I agree

Seems like at some point the MVFC rep should have opened his big yap and said... but.. but.. but.. what about what we just decided about the Montana game or maybe even throw out a.. but.. but.. but.. the way we currently have Weber state seed they are more like the 13th seed.. why are we calling them basically a 9 seed seems like we are screwing montana state if that is the case (oh regionalization).  The MVFC rep seems like the worst negotiator on the planet or just not focused on the MVFC as a whole.

Another year of.. the rules only matter until they dont.. and the precedents only matter until they dont.

All of that said.. Im super excited about the game on Saturday.. it will be tough but I think the fellas will bounce back.  Im also disappointed its not a home game as it should have been based on decades of precedents.