FCS Playoffs

[homer]

17 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

No one ln either the east coast or BSC are going to do any favors for the MVFC.  

6-5 Western Illinois getting in with “quality losses” vs a team with an FBS quality win.  
 

it’s happened before

[JohnboyND7]

2 minutes ago, homer said:

6-5 Western Illinois getting in with “quality losses” vs a team with an FBS quality win.  
 

it’s happened before

The whole 6-5 thing is the dumbest thing ever.  Were they one of the best teams available?  Maybe.  But I'm sorry, if you lose almost as much as you win, you have no business being in the playoffs absent a conference title.

[nodakvindy]

45 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

your formula is too easy for the dummy's at the ncaa...makes too much sense

his formula is exactly what the NCAA did.

[Siouxperfan7]

Silver lining....This has provided a nice distraction from arguing about the game result Saturday to arguing about the playoff committee decisions!! 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

25 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

No one ln either the east coast or BSC are going to do any favors for the MVFC.  

FAVORS, of course not, that's smells of the old Scotch Whiskey / Cigars.
You comment sure makes it sound like possible favors to some could be given, but not MVFC.
There is absolutely a window left open for the committee to use subjective criteria in the decision making process. 
Also, the inconsistency of these decisions by selection committee?
Some serious questions on here to no smoke in the room.

[Bison Dan]

2 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

FAVORS, of course not, that's smells of the old Scotch Whiskey / Cigars.
You comment sure makes it sound like possible favors to some could be given, but not MVFC.
There is absolutely a window left open for the committee to use subjective criteria in the decision making process. 
Also, the inconsistency of these decisions by selection committee?
Some serious questions on here to no smoke in the room.

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

[UNDColorado]

6 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Silver lining....This has provided a nice distraction from arguing about the game result Saturday to arguing about the playoff committee decisions!! 

Definitely some truth to this.

[Siouxperman8]

3 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

The next game has nothing to do with this discussion.  Based on criteria that has been used 'forever' in awarding first round FCS games UND should be at home.  It is the classic moving the goalposts. Winning or losing next week will do nothing to justify that decision. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

As I mentioned before: MBB, WIH, and MIH were all hit with questionable decisions made by the NCAA.

It not a coincidence

Please expound. Examples appreciated. 

[The Sicatoka]

Massey ratings applied to 2022 FCS bracket delivered by NCAA:

Left side
(27 v 41) v 2
(28 v 37) v 9
(30 v 44) v 8
(4 v 15) v 3

Right side
(10 v 19) v 5
(25 v 13) v 6
(11 v 18) v 7
(20 v 93) v 1 

Looks like Massey4 took the short end and got no bye. Oh, wait, that's Weber. 

[Shawn-O]

You think this is bad, think if UT-Martin wins that coin flip.   

[FSSD]

5 hours ago, Gothmog said:

I doubt that there's any conspiracy against UND. In any case, UND can only control 2 things ... its W-L record and its bid. I don't know what your bid, or other school's bids actually were, but I do know that 7 wins is considered the bare minimum for an at-large bid. UND can, and should, do better than that. It's up to UND to prove the selection commitee wrong...with a win in Ogden on Saturday. That's how you kick the door in.

You mean 6 D1 win right..

[SWSiouxMN]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Please expound. Examples appreciated. 

MBB:

Jaron Nash applies for a hardship because his dad was sick.  At the time, if you went to a school that was within a certain distance of home, you could get a waiver.   He could have been immediately eligible and could have played with the Huff/Anderson/Webb/Schuler/Brekke Group for two years.  Instead the NCAA said no, twice.

Sure, they gave him a 6th year... after Huff and all of them graduated... huh, how nice of them.

I thought the case with Karvinen and St. Clair was a bit more to it but it was a clearinghouse issue.  So the Nash case always sticks in my craw. 

[FSSD]

13 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

MBB:

Jaron Nash applies for a hardship because his dad was sick.  At the time, if you went to a school that was within a certain distance of home, you could get a waiver.   He could have been immediately eligible and could have played with the Huff/Anderson/Webb/Schuler/Brekke Group for two years.  Instead the NCAA said no, twice.

Sure, they gave him a 6th year... after Huff and all of them graduated... huh, how nice of them.

I thought the case with Karvinen and St. Clair was a bit more to it but it was a clearinghouse issue.  So the Nash case always sticks in my craw. 

Huff and Nash would have been nice!!  Was Hooker Fr. one year?

[SWSiouxMN]

3 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Huff and Nash would have been nice!!  Was Hooker Fr. one year?

It would have been nice for two years, Hookers freshman year was when Huff and company were seniors and the first year Nash was able to play.

 

[FSSD]

That would have been a silly fun team to watch.

[wheelsup]

4 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Quite crying - just win on Saturday.  

Dear bison dan .. please share all of the details of the mighty bisons road record during the playoffs.. I can’t wait to hear it. I could share the details but it’s more fun for you to look it up. You guys have a great record in the Fargo dome… and a great record in Frisco.. but those road games .. tuff for everyone I guess.. 

[Hammersmith]

42 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

Dear bison dan .. please share all of the details of the mighty bisons road record during the playoffs.. I can’t wait to hear it. I could share the details but it’s more fun for you to look it up. You guys have a great record in the Fargo dome… and a great record in Frisco.. but those road games .. tuff for everyone I guess.. 

1-2 in FCS? What's so wrong with that? Generally if you're on the road in the playoffs after round 1, it's because you were already judged to be the lesser team. Why is it surprising to have a losing record in that case? It's not like the regular season where there's a level of randomness to the strength of the home vs away squads.

2010: unseeded; 1-1 on the road; defeated the 4th seed and lost to the 5th(eventual national champion)

2020: unseeded(only 16 teams & 4 seeds); 0-1 on the road; lost to the 2nd seed(eventual national champion)

 

Of course the 30-1 home record and 9-0 neutral site record are also both nice. Heck, even the single home loss was also to the eventual NC.

[wheelsup]

54 minutes ago, Hammersmith said:

1-2 in FCS? What's so wrong with that? Generally if you're on the road in the playoffs after round 1, it's because you were already judged to be the lesser team. Why is it surprising to have a losing record in that case? It's not like the regular season where there's a level of randomness to the strength of the home vs away squads.

2010: unseeded; 1-1 on the road; defeated the 4th seed and lost to the 5th(eventual national champion)

2020: unseeded(only 16 teams & 4 seeds); 0-1 on the road; lost to the 2nd seed(eventual national champion)

 

Of course the 30-1 home record and 9-0 neutral site record are also both nice. Heck, even the single home loss was also to the eventual NC.

sarcasm is lost on you people.. the point is even the great bison have a losing record on the road in the playoffs.

Nobody really gives a crap.. of course we want to win.. it just would be nicer to have a home playoff game..  just spare me the bs about crying.  If this had happened all of the bison fans would be whining at least as loud.  If you want to talk bison football go to bisonville with all of those great football minds.  

[Siouxperfan7]

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Student athlete experience" 

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

[Nodak78]

5 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Stedent athlete experience"

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

Like most things these days.

Either George orwelled or Alice in Wonderland.

Whatever works for the committee.  Time to move on and skin a wildcat Saturday following week skin a Bobcat,  William and Mary can't skin them just beat, then skin a jackrabbit.  Finally skin a Bison. 

[wheelsup]

50 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

FCS playoff committee chair Jermaine Truax explains why Montana Grizzlies made the field

https://406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/fcs-playoff-committee-chair-jermaine-truax-explains-why-montana-grizzlies-made-the-field/article_648e48aa-69ee-11ed-a05a-5b8c74acc4e0.html

So let me get this straight.  Here are the reasons Montana made it into the playoff field:

- "Quality loses" against the best teams in the Big Sky

-  Loses were when their QB was out, so....MAYBE they would have won

-  "Success" against MVFC teams (even though those teams finished 9th and 10th in the conference standings"

-  "Success" against a Southland team that finished the season 4-7

- "Student athlete experience" 

-  The finanacial bid wasn't a factor.  

 

Got it.  Makes perfect sense.  Well deserved Montana!!

The big sky conference rep was clearly the best prepared negotiator in the room.. Im guessing the MVFC rep spent all of his negotiating skills getting the Bison up to the 3rd seed in order to get NDSU and SDSU on opposite sides of the bracket.  I would really like to hear how all of the conversations went..

• Big sky rep: - Hey.. Montana needs to get in based on their quality losses and no wins against teams with winning records..  Rest of the committee - Yep sounds good

Field is set based on regionalization etc.. other than noticeable outliers like Southeast Missouri State playing against Montana and Idaho playing against Southeastern Louisiana (seems like a long bus ride).. really nice matchups for the Big Sky.. Im a little surprised Idaho didnt end up with a home game.

• Big Sky rep: - time to open up those financial bids.. looks like Montana deserves a home game - Rest of the committee - Yep.. based on decades of precedence I agree
• Big Sky rep: - hey about that Weber state/UND game.. it seems like there are some other factors we should consider.. they were basically the 9th seed they need a home game we should ignore the financial component - Rest of committee - thats a great point.. I agree

Seems like at some point the MVFC rep should have opened his big yap and said... but.. but.. but.. what about what we just decided about the Montana game or maybe even throw out a.. but.. but.. but.. the way we currently have Weber state seed they are more like the 13th seed.. why are we calling them basically a 9 seed seems like we are screwing montana state if that is the case (oh regionalization).  The MVFC rep seems like the worst negotiator on the planet or just not focused on the MVFC as a whole.

Another year of.. the rules only matter until they dont.. and the precedents only matter until they dont.

All of that said.. Im super excited about the game on Saturday.. it will be tough but I think the fellas will bounce back.  Im also disappointed its not a home game as it should have been based on decades of precedents.

[JohnboyND7]

I don't think its probably very hard to get the committee on board with Montana.

- Nice stadium.  Looks good on TV.  Probably a decent number of fans will be there.

Big Sky is a prime conference to set up with non-bus games, there are basically none available. Isn't everyone west of  Grand Forks (other than some TX schools) in the Big Sky?  No opportunity for bus games in the west.

[Nodak78]

26 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

The big sky conference rep was clearly the best prepared negotiator in the room.. Im guessing the MVFC rep spent all of his negotiating skills getting the Bison up to the 3rd seed in order to get NDSU and SDSU on opposite sides of the bracket.  I would really like to hear how all of the conversations went..

• Big sky rep: - Hey.. Montana needs to get in based on their quality losses and no wins against teams with winning records..  Rest of the committee - Yep sounds good

Field is set based on regionalization etc.. other than noticeable outliers like Southeast Missouri State playing against Montana and Idaho playing against Southeastern Louisiana (seems like a long bus ride).. really nice matchups for the Big Sky.. Im a little surprised Idaho didnt end up with a home game.

• Big Sky rep: - time to open up those financial bids.. looks like Montana deserves a home game - Rest of the committee - Yep.. based on decades of precedence I agree
• Big Sky rep: - hey about that Weber state/UND game.. it seems like there are some other factors we should consider.. they were basically the 9th seed they need a home game we should ignore the financial component - Rest of committee - thats a great point.. I agree

Seems like at some point the MVFC rep should have opened his big yap and said... but.. but.. but.. what about what we just decided about the Montana game or maybe even throw out a.. but.. but.. but.. the way we currently have Weber state seed they are more like the 13th seed.. why are we calling them basically a 9 seed seems like we are screwing montana state if that is the case (oh regionalization).  The MVFC rep seems like the worst negotiator on the planet or just not focused on the MVFC as a whole.

Another year of.. the rules only matter until they dont.. and the precedents only matter until they dont.

All of that said.. Im super excited about the game on Saturday.. it will be tough but I think the fellas will bounce back.  Im also disappointed its not a home game as it should have been based on decades of precedents.

MVFC didn't negotiate for MVFC.  He neg. For NDSU.

[bison73]

On 11/21/2022 at 8:43 AM, jdub27 said:

No, the MVFC does not kick in any money. And that was something that hadn't been done before.
If the committee decides to award a home game to a team regardless of bid, then how exactly would you propose to combat that? Earning a seed is the obvious answer but that isn't going to happen every year (or be awarded even if deserved I guess). If UND puts out a bid that beats everyone (outside of Montana) and still doesn't get selected, what can they actually do?

Absolutely get the frustration. But if what everyone is reading between the lines on is close to accurate, there is some real BS going on with the committee. 

Could be part of regionalization?  Having two playoff games 90 miles apart might not be what they are looking for?