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22 hours ago, nodak651 said:

I don't necessarily buy that.  You have a valid point, but there's a reason Kris McGarry went to the press to complain about Kennedy while the negotiations for the lease agreement were taking place.  Public sentiment means a lot in this day and age.  

3 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I kind of think $100,000,000 donor with a say in the management of the Ralph had a lot more to do with that than public sentiment. 

I don't follow..

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13 hours ago, nodak651 said:

At the Betty or Ralph? :wink:

Pretty sure we all know which ones is higher on the priority list. The next upgrade is probably already in the design stages. 

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12 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Who knew this staff had top recruiting classes and still be able to drag this team down with their inferior coaching…..? I guess I failed to realize that the reason we can’t beat the Bison and win titles is the coaching ….

So after watching the Hawks last season, we lost to the Bison because of their great recruiting?  Were you actually at the game?  How about Missouri State?  UND lost that game because the MSU players were so much better than the UND players?  Is that what you really think?

I'm not saying UND does not have some good coaches doing really good things, but you seem to think that if not for the the outstanding coaching, UND may have only beaten Drake?  Or in your estimation was that win, two evenly matched teams and Bubba just was able to get the boys better prepared for the game?

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13 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

The difference is, at NDSU, the culture and masses focus on football. The majority of funds goes towards football. 
 

At UND, the culture and masses focus on hockey. The majority of funds goes towards hockey. 
 

Simple difference, but it is, in fact, the difference. 
 

For UND football to ascend further, there will need to be a major financial gift (like UND once received from RE for REA). That is the only path moving forward where a significant change in fortune comes for UND football. 
 

If UND had a $100 million facility for UND football, which sport at UND would be the most popular? Money talks, directly and indirectly to fans as well as it creates the culture.

For UND hockey, pretty darn hard to overlook a frickin’ massive $100M Arena in place for hockey games. 
 

Will UND ever again receive a gift (individual or collective) that trumps Engelstad’s gift for hockey? Doubtful, but that’s what you have to hope for for the sake of UND athletics, specifically football.

 

Mark Chipman or Dave Fennell still on the doner radar?

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On 3/16/2022 at 10:44 AM, iramurphy said:

Simple. I don’t believe public sentiment was an issue in that case. 

So the purpose of her interview wasn't to create negotiating leverage?  That interview and the subsequent news headlines put a lot of pressure on Kennedy to capitulate, no?  

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On 3/14/2022 at 2:30 PM, jdub27 said:

If I had to guess, it is being put aside so if/when UND takes it over in 2030 there are actually funds available to take care of upkeep. NDUS has a pretty good track record of running up deferred maintenance.

On 3/14/2022 at 3:56 PM, jdub27 said:

I agree with almost everything you said and I'm not saying it is or isn't the case, but just my thoughts on it from conversations I've had. 

I looked at an old usage agreement, and it's pretty incredible how much it has changed over the years.  Posted below is a comparison between the same segment of the usage agreement between 2004 and the current agreement.

Old agreement (black line is a page break):
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Current usage agreement:

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2 hours ago, ND1 said:

Full time .. 38 k 

yikes 

Not ideal but its an entry level job into coaching and beats being a Grad Asst.
Starting is within 10% or so of what's paid in Fargo and Vermillion and slightly higher than the same position in Brookings (based on title, not necessarily job requirements). Experience likely varies as well.

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On 7/29/2022 at 11:17 AM, nodak651 said:

Is this a newly created position?  If so, this should take a load off some of the assistant coaches who currently have to handle some of this stuff, correct?


https://campus.und.edu/human-resources/careers/job-openings.html
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Definitely agree in principal that this is a needed position, but the salary of 38k is laughable. Just shows you how tight UND football is with their budget. Need improvements with budget desperately. I get it is “comparable” to Fargo and Vermillion, but those communities are also easier to recruit staff to (Vermillion maybe not so much, but close to Sioux Falls).

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13 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Definitely agree in principal that this is a needed position, but the salary of 38k is laughable. Just shows you how tight UND football is with their budget. Need improvements with budget desperately. I get it is “comparable” to Fargo and Vermillion, but those communities are also easier to recruit staff to (Vermillion maybe not so much, but close to Sioux Falls).

That's the problem with UND Marketing jobs - they don't pay sh*t!   If you could get someone to take the job they won't kep it because they can make more money....ANYWHERE!  Been a problem for a long time...they need to address it.  Get someone GOOD in that job and pay them - it would go a long way.

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9 hours ago, gfNDfan said:

That's the problem with UND Marketing jobs - they don't pay sh*t!   If you could get someone to take the job they won't kep it because they can make more money....ANYWHERE!  Been a problem for a long time...they need to address it.  Get someone GOOD in that job and pay them - it would go a long way.

It's not a UND thing, its an industry thing and isn't much different than pretty much anywhere. Entry level jobs (coaching or sports marketing) are basically foot-in-the door, stepping stone jobs. Show up, prove what you can do and you'll be rewarded with a promotion or a better job elsewhere. Unfortunate reality of the business. 

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23 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Definitely agree in principal that this is a needed position, but the salary of 38k is laughable. Just shows you how tight UND football is with their budget. Need improvements with budget desperately. I get it is “comparable” to Fargo and Vermillion, but those communities are also easier to recruit staff to (Vermillion maybe not so much, but close to Sioux Falls).

They will snap fill it with a ton of applicants to choose from

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