SiouxFan100 Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 Do we even know what it will mean to be fbs in ten years from now? All the rules might change by then. All we know is that it will be different from today. The rich will be richer and then it will be everyone else. What do I know though
bison73 Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Kab said: You still didn’t answer if you want all sports to move to 1 conference also when you talk about media market,FM area is about 5 to 6% of Mpls. Metro population so it’s a small market I didnt say anything about markets and I never said anything about all sports. I think youre talking to somebody else. But I will ask you a question---why do you people here have such a hard on about NDSU moving up?
bison73 Posted January 16, 2022 Posted January 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Sioux>Bison said: NDSU’s media market must be bigger than just Fargo if their media contract is 3 million +. That’s bigger than the CUSA and Sunbelt payouts (dwarfs them) and is very similar to MAC and MWC payouts. There is no doubt they could make it as a G5 team but no conference wants them because of their geography. Anyone that thinks they can beat the P5 teams week after week are delusional. G5 level talent isn’t gonna cut it against the P5 and they are not going to win recruiting battles against the P5. You guys said that before. Thats has really aged well hasnt it. LOL
Stockdamhockey Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, bison73 said: I didnt say anything about markets and I never said anything about all sports. I think youre talking to somebody else. But I will ask you a question---why do you people here have such a hard on about NDSU moving up? You people.
Kab Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, Stockdamhockey said: You people. 1 hour ago, bison73 said: I didnt say anything about markets and I never said anything about all sports. I think youre talking to somebody else. But I will ask you a question---why do you people here have such a hard on about NDSU moving up? I don’t give a squat what they do as a YOU PEOPLE I’m just asking questions that YOU PEOPLE won’t answer if they move up move all athletics 1
nodak651 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Kab said: How many years is that $3 million for? Where did you get that number from? https://www.inforum.com/sports/college/mcfeely-bison-athletics-guaranteed-big-payday-with-learfield-deal
JohnboyND7 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 On 1/13/2022 at 2:26 PM, geaux_sioux said: They didn’t get left out. In fact, they were in and won it all. Then 2016...whatever. I never know what year to use...
Hayduke1 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 I say the NCHC additionally sponsors FBS football, along with D1 basketball, track and field,baseball, softball, gymnastics, golf, soccer, wrestling, tennis, swimming & diving, bowling, badminton, skeet shooting, Heck, even rodeo. All under the National College Hockey Conference name. Lets take it to the next level. 1
SiouxFan100 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 A realist has major opinions that are commonly viewed as existing or practically achievable. A visionary has major opinions that are commonly viewed as nonexistent and perhaps unlikely to ever be achieved A realist is a person who looks for answers on the ground, ignores all possibilities and says it can’t be done. A visionary ignores negative viewpoints, looks up toward the light for solutions for all problems and says why not try?
SiouxBoys Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said: A realist has major opinions that are commonly viewed as existing or practically achievable. A visionary has major opinions that are commonly viewed as nonexistent and perhaps unlikely to ever be achieved A realist is a person who looks for answers on the ground, ignores all possibilities and says it can’t be done. A visionary ignores negative viewpoints, looks up toward the light for solutions for all problems and says why not try? Marijuana is a hell of a drug.
Kab Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nodak651 said: Where did you get that number from? https://www.inforum.com/sports/college/mcfeely-bison-athletics-guaranteed-big-payday-with-learfield-deal From previous post from one one
geaux_sioux Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said: I say the NCHC additionally sponsors FBS football, along with D1 basketball, track and field,baseball, softball, gymnastics, golf, soccer, wrestling tennis, swimming & diving, bowling, badminton, skeet shooting, Heck, even rodeo. All under the National College Hockey Conference name. Lets take it to the next level. NCHC-FSCONHEI National College Hockey Conference - Football Subsidiary Conference Of Non Hockey Exclusive Institutions 1
nodak651 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 17 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: NDSU’s media market must be bigger than just Fargo if their media contract is 3 million +. That’s bigger than the CUSA and Sunbelt payouts (dwarfs them) and is very similar to MAC and MWC payouts. There is no doubt they could make it as a G5 team but no conference wants them because of their geography. Anyone that thinks they can beat the P5 teams week after week are delusional. G5 level talent isn’t gonna cut it against the P5 and they are not going to win recruiting battles against the P5. Where did you get that number from? https://www.inforum.com/sports/college/mcfeely-bison-athletics-guaranteed-big-payday-with-learfield-deal
Kab Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nodak651 said: Where did you get that number from? https://www.inforum.com/sports/college/mcfeely-bison-athletics-guaranteed-big-payday-with-learfield-deal Not sure how to read all the numbers does every school use the same accounting principles when reporting their income and expenses are all the conference schools on cost of attendance? tough to compare when you have champions club and engelstad giving and taking ndsu with team makers i think both Und and ndsu are tied into Lear field sports, not sure about the other schools i read the financials with some skepticism
gfhockey Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 A few questions xan we get Josh Morton back to take chaves spot? He was a good fund raiser why are our fundraisers just wanting to drink and party? They bypass everyone and go towards the drinkers which I’m fine with but a lot of big shots don’t drink as much what happend to savings from cutting sports
Sioux>Bison Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 18 hours ago, bison73 said: You guys said that before. Thats has really aged well hasnt it. LOL How many recruiting battles did you win this year against P5 schools? So you really think G5 talent is gonna compete with the big boys every single week?
Sioux>Bison Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 15 hours ago, nodak651 said: Where did you get that number from? https://www.inforum.com/sports/college/mcfeely-bison-athletics-guaranteed-big-payday-with-learfield-deal Thought I read it somewhere. Am I wrong ? I can’t read the article. I thought it was 3 million a year or maybe 3 million per year total with all their contracts combined
Mama Sue Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 49 minutes ago, gfhockey said: A few questions xan we get Josh Morton back to take chaves spot? He was a good fund raiser why are our fundraisers just wanting to drink and party? They bypass everyone and go towards the drinkers which I’m fine with but a lot of big shots don’t drink as much what happend to savings from cutting sports Those are great questions someone should answer!
bison73 Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 39 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: How many recruiting battles did you win this year against P5 schools? So you really think G5 talent is gonna compete with the big boys every single week? Weve done pretty well while not having the same scholarship levels. When we have 85 that will give us more depth and better able to compete every week. It will take some time but I would think we will start getting more high profile recruits. Just think if we would have listened to you the last time we made a move up we wouldnt have won the last 9 National Championships and created one of the greatest dynasties in football history.
Sioux>Bison Posted January 17, 2022 Posted January 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, bison73 said: Weve done pretty well while not having the same scholarship levels. When we have 85 that will give us more depth and better able to compete every week. It will take some time but I would think we will start getting more high profile recruits. Just think if we would have listened to you the last time we made a move up we wouldnt have won the last 9 National Championships and created one of the greatest dynasties in football history. Yeah those egos are not getting any smaller…….. NDSU has proven they can recruit G5 talent but recruiting P5 talent is unproven. How will NDSU win recruiting battles against Minnesota and Wisconsin once they are FBS?
bison73 Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: Yeah those egos are not getting any smaller…….. NDSU has proven they can recruit G5 talent but recruiting P5 talent is unproven. How will NDSU win recruiting battles against Minnesota and Wisconsin once they are FBS? 7 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: Yeah those egos are not getting any smaller…….. NDSU has proven they can recruit G5 talent but recruiting P5 talent is unproven. How will NDSU win recruiting battles against Minnesota and Wisconsin once they are FBS? So once we are FBS I think we do well against those guys. Why because they cant offer every kid out there. NDSU has a pretty good name so with going FBS we win some of those battles. All??? Nope.
SIOUXFAN97 Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 1:26 AM, ND-fan said: I stated it before only logical fit for FBS conference would be if Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, Und, SDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Idaho state, Eastern Washington, Idaho, and utah and Northern Colorado formed a conference. Even with the names listed above i don't know how many would want to move up but this would have foot print that would make sense it would limit distant travel and if enough would join you could have east/west spliit in the conference to also limit travel and costs . If it was marketed right getting right media company that wanted to provide sports tv to the states in this conference there could be some television money. Also most national markets wouldn't want to regionalize a market to small market states that this conference would be in so if was done right conference and tv provider would need to be almost partners in developing and marketing this conference to this region of the country. The big time p5 schools are basically doing this now national level and i don't see their numbers increasing because adding more schools just dilutes amount of money being shared when adding more schools. If anything we could see a drop in p5 schools because they don't improve the revenue shared to pot because of tv viewership and other media revenue they can generate for other p5 schools. This sounds like were getting away from basic of college sports but this has been happening in last 20 years and unless their is political change i just see this continuing down this path. We have done this on national scale and next step is for local media company working with smaller college conferences selling this on regional basis as subscription to watch their favorite teams. But until this happens i don't see where NDSU or most of FCS schools and small mid major schools will be moving even to G5 conference because most of these conferences are near what they want for membership. These changes could happen quite quickly or may never happen depending how much change smaller division I schools are willing to accept and if there are smaller local media companies willing to grow and put media business company together sell conference on regional basis. I think this may happen but until somebody does it and makes it successful it won't become the thing to do. might want to rethink some of the schools in your opening couple of lines.....
Bison06 Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 9 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: Yeah those egos are not getting any smaller…….. NDSU has proven they can recruit G5 talent but recruiting P5 talent is unproven. How will NDSU win recruiting battles against Minnesota and Wisconsin once they are FBS? You are overlooking a key point. In this hypothetical recruiting situation, NDSU would no longer be FCS, they’d be G5 FBS. G5 teams win recruiting battles against P5 teams hundreds of times a year. Playing time, culture, connection with the coaching staff…etc. 2
ND-fan Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 The move to FBS level and also moving all your sports to next level i have hard time seeing where the benefit is for NDSU especially how most G5 conferences are half way across the nation for possible fits for NDSU. There is probably enough revenue to fund the football program and first few years there would be enough fan interest of playing at this different level. I still see problem in generating additional revenue to fund all other sports NDSU has now because the costs will go up for these sports as well when you jump a level and additional travel costs. Other costs is when jumping a level will be coaching costs, costs of bringing in teams for home games, and also additional overhead costs to administer these additional staffs and fund raising to keep athletic department funded. (Look what Craig Bohl is getting for salary at Wyoming as head coach is 1 million more than you are paying now.) I just think the fan support you have had from region will drop because reason for this growth in fan interest has been your playing for national championship. The casual fan can Identify with this and also the playoff system where you have had couple of home games that local television coverage across the whole state. Then add in championship game in Texas right after first of year it has become mini vacation to get away from the cold weather and the holidays were over. Now we get to small g5 conference and if you win it have record that is good enough to be invited to bowl game that will be played week before Christmas or couple of days after Christmas which could be played on Thursday, Friday, Monday, or Tuesday the number of fans going to the game is going to be diminished especially around Christmas. Also number people able to watch the game will be less because people will be working and season is busy with other activities. I guess as North Dakotan and specially non Bison fan i am not going to go out my way for bowl game where before i have watched because they represented state and region when they were playing in Frisco. I may be wrong but some where in my gut if this doesn't work out as tax payer of North Dakota i may have to come in cover the short fall or at least finance them until they can restructure athletic department. The bottom line I have number other reason but this getting too long already. I just think for the state, region, and all the colleges when we have all major universities in same conference in Dakota's and surrounding universities brings most fan interest for college sports. I have long ago realized we are not populated enough and will never have resources to compete in P5 conference and only way it will work if most universities want to play up level to g5 we will need to form our own conference to do so.
siouxfan512 Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 10 hours ago, Bison06 said: You are overlooking a key point. In this hypothetical recruiting situation, NDSU would no longer be FCS, they’d be G5 FBS. G5 teams win recruiting battles against P5 teams hundreds of times a year. Playing time, culture, connection with the coaching staff…etc. For arguments sake .... I remember a pretty good D2 UND team moving up to D1 (far later than they should have). At that point they had a pretty good name at the D2 level, and they moved up to FCS, so with your logic we should have had no issues recruiting against the NDSU, SDSU, UNI, Montana type schools .... right? Simply being an FCS team should be enough to win FCS recruits, just as simple being FBS should be enough to win FBS recruits. Now obviously there is some satire and extremism in my response, but I think you get my point. I'm not going to say NDSU couldn't find some success at the FBS level, because honestly, who the hell know. They could jump up and surprise some people and give themselves something to build on, or they could struggle for a few years and really just bury themselves into an FBS hole, which would leave their FCS success as nothing more than a memory of what was (still a pretty great memory). Now this isn't directed at you, but there are so many uneducated and dumb Bison fans (just as UND has a ton of uneducated and dumb hockey fans), who believe the team, program and success comes from the name. We're Bison football so we are untouchable, just as many UND fans think UND hockey should be untouchable even though there are a ton of other factors that go into maintaining success; there are only more of those factors as you move up. This could not have been more well represented than by Izzo's comments in the last week. To essential say, NDSU can play for FCS Championships, or FBS Championships is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. NDSU is good and we all know it, but they are a far cry from a dominant Power 5 team that will win week in and week out against that caliber of talent. Now, I don't blame Izzo. He is doing his job and adding fuel to the fire where, as I mentioned, there is already a large subset of very delusional fans. Most aren't that delusional, but we all know there are truly those people who believe NDSU would be Alabama. C'mon Man!
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