FlinFlan80 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 Just now, geaux_sioux said: Yea, any given Saturday Bama and Georgia from this year would beat those three teams by 40. I’m assuming you watched that game. Those two teams were playing on a different level than all other college teams. This couldn't be more spot on. I realistically watched 30-40 college football games this year ranging from NAIA to FBS and this game was as close to the NFL as you will find.
Bison06 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said: I love upsets. I follow Minnesota profesional sports and UND football. Every win that "my teams" get is considered an upset. I am simply being realistic. The NCAA is a business driven by money. If the figures don't match up, we will never get an expanded playoffs. If they can make more money by expanding, then they will expand until they can't anymore. I think what upsets UND fans the most (besides NDSU's success because its a rivalry and no one wants their rival to succeed) Is the unrealistic fans that think if NDSU transitions it will be smooth and butter and they will continue their dominance. I'm not even going bring up the "We want Bama" crowd. 9 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Yea, any given Saturday Bama and Georgia from this year would beat those three teams by 40. I’m assuming you watched that game. Those two teams were playing on a different level than all other college teams. I’m a realistic guy too and I would fully expect Georgia and Alabama to dominate most every team in the country this year. Would they? You’d have to play the game. If I had money on it of course I’m picking those two teams all day. But that’s not the point. The point is, upsets happen, they are called upsets because you don’t expect them to happen. Anybody can beat anybody, that’s why the game is played.
geaux_sioux Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I’m a realistic guy too and I would fully expect Georgia and Alabama to dominate most every team in the country this year. Would they? You’d have to play the game. If I had money on it of course I’m picking those two teams all day. But that’s not the point. The point is, upsets happen, they are called upsets because you don’t expect them to happen. Anybody can beat anybody, that’s why the game is played. The points are: Dom Izzo is getting clicks in the off-season with an intentionally delusional take that gets NDSU rubes hard and makes everyone else facepalm. NDSU is geographically isolated and doesn’t appear to have a legit FBS option. 1 2
Bison06 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: The points are: Dom Izzo is getting clicks in the off-season with an intentionally delusional take that gets NDSU rubes hard and makes everyone else facepalm. NDSU is geographically isolated and doesn’t appear to have a legit FBS option. I don’t disagree with any of that.
FlinFlan80 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Bison06 said: I don’t disagree with any of that. Agreed. Also, think Dom is the leader of the pro-FBS mop so his job holds more clout nationally. 1
UND1983 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 WDAY got the TV contract so they are carrying NDSU's water even more than they did before. McFeeley writes multiple articles every week now as its obviously big for their need of clicks and such.
nodak651 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, FlinFlan80 said: Agreed. Also, think Dom is the leader of the pro-FBS mop so his job holds more clout nationally. Also, isn't this a complete flip flop from only like two years ago, and was ridiculing the pro fbs crowd?
The Sicatoka Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 2 hours ago, jdub27 said: But....but....but he said that he says lots of things that the NDSU brass probably doesn't appreciate or approve of!! Are you saying he wasn't telling the truth?? How do you know if Dom is creating a false tweet? His thumbs are moving.
JohnboyND7 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 15 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: Name the teams that got left out who actually had a shot to win it all. If there’s a single team I’d be surprised. 2015 Ohio State
FlinFlan80 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: 2015 Ohio State Maybe if they would have started Joe Burrow they would have been in! 1
The Sicatoka Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: NDSU is geographically isolated and doesn’t appear to have a legit FBS option. Here's where I say again there's no western "MAC". A consortium of the top of the MVFC and BSC would form a better conference athletically and academically. 1
Sioux94 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 In my opinion I think FBS should go to an 8 team playoff. There have been a couple of years there was quite a bit of debate about one or two teams that did not get in the top 4 and probably should have had a shot. The 8th seed is very unlikely to win but if a 5th seed plays a 4th seed I'd say that is almost 50/50 in most years as to who would win. If they were to go to 12 teams, I think they'd have to give the top 4 a buy so that there would be 8 teams in second round. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to something like that, would make for some good first round games. I could see a #12 upsetting a #5 in the first round in that scenario. I wouldn't want it to get too watered down, but the nice thing about FCS and bigger playoff field is that it makes things a lot more interesting for a lot more teams right up until the final week of the season. 1
Bison06 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Sioux94 said: In my opinion I think FBS should go to an 8 team playoff. There have been a couple of years there was quite a bit of debate about one or two teams that did not get in the top 4 and probably should have had a shot. The 8th seed is very unlikely to win but if a 5th seed plays a 4th seed I'd say that is almost 50/50 in most years as to who would win. If they were to go to 12 teams, I think they'd have to give the top 4 a buy so that there would be 8 teams in second round. I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to something like that, would make for some good first round games. I could see a #12 upsetting a #5 in the first round in that scenario. I wouldn't want it to get too watered down, but the nice thing about FCS and bigger playoff field is that it makes things a lot more interesting for a lot more teams right up until the final week of the season. The interest in an 8-12 team tournament would be so high. I would absolutely love to see an AAC/MAC/MW champion line up against a 2nd or 3rd best team from a P5 in that first round.
geaux_sioux Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said: 2015 Ohio State They didn’t get left out. In fact, they were in and won it all.
zonadub Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: Here's where I say again there's no western "MAC". A consortium of the top of the MVFC and BSC would form a better conference athletically and academically. Or Eastern MWC
Sioux>Bison Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 11 hours ago, Bison06 said: These exact conversation were had as NDSU transitioned to DI if you’re old enough to remember. See my post above, G5 first then P5 is the scenario I laid out. So I agree with you. The landscape is ever changing, a lot can happen over the course of a couple of decades. P5 isn’t happening. 9 FCS championships barely raised enrollment. NDSU going P5 one day is a Pipe Dream! NDSU is not Cincinnati, Houston or UCF!!!!! but be my guest and lose credibility!
Sioux>Bison Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 3 hours ago, zonadub said: Or Eastern MWC Or a Northern CUSA! 1
Bison06 Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: P5 isn’t happening. 9 FCS championships barely raised enrollment. NDSU going P5 one day is a Pipe Dream! NDSU is not Cincinnati, Houston or UCF!!!!! but be my guest and lose credibility! You lack an understanding of how time can change things. The landscape today will look nothing like what it will look like in 20 years.
Midwestern Hawk Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: You lack an understanding of how time can change things. The landscape today will look nothing like what it will look like in 20 years. You seriously think the Bison are going P5?
Kab Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: You lack an understanding of how time can change things. The landscape today will look nothing like what it will look like in 20 years. It could be worse, you don’t know either
Bison06 Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 56 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: You seriously think the Bison are going P5? Have you even read any of my comments. Start there.
Bison06 Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 48 minutes ago, Kab said: It could be worse, you don’t know either True
nd1sufan Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said: You seriously think the Bison are going P5? No 1
UND Fan Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 A few opinions on this topic: If NDSU's administration and athletic department along with their supporters are OK with playing in mid-level bowl games rather than national championships, they should move up. Of course, they would need to find a conference that would accept them in all sports. Due to geography, that may be difficult. I think NDSU can afford to move up. Team Makers already generates more $ than is needed to fully fund all athletic scholarships, not just FB. This is huge! Continued financial growth is very possible due to the effectiveness of Team Makers, some well-healed boosters (example - the guy who wrote a $15M check so their indoor facility could be upgraded a bit and fully built now rather in two phases) and importantly, the huge growth in the Fargo metro area. That means a significant growth of business in this market (both large and small) provides significant potential to raise much more $ on an annual basis! As far as the level of success SU can achieve, I believe they could (over time) approach the success level of Boise State - which is quite good! I don't think the university or their fans should assume they will be do any better than has Boise State. That said, there are many FBS schools that would love to be compared with BSU. Izzo isn't too far behind McFeely or Port in their efforts to create controversy/interest on many issues. As others have said, that is simply part of journalism these days. As the situation applies to UND: The vast majority of UND alumni and fans wish UND had moved up at the same time as NDSU and SDSU. There were two problems with our doing so back then - lack of institutional support/planning and $. Heck, we really can't afford to effectively compete in DI today - I don't know how we could even consider moving up to FBS with NDSU. I wish we could but it won't happen anytime soon. We simply don't have the resources to do so. Therefore, it would likely be embarrassing if we tried. The comment that, if NDSU moves up, both SD schools along with UND must do so as well. I don't know if SDSU has the interest or the ability to move up but I am quite sure USD does not have the ability. Regarding resources, I don't feel that the Champions Club produces nearly what they could/should on an annual basis. I could provide a couple personal examples but will not do so in this in a public form. I don't want anything I say to apply to any specific employees. I will leave it at that but I have very strong feelings on this topic. Another example, in the drawer next to me, I have a copy of the original architectural drawing for the HPC. It was given to me in a meeting with Josh Morton 11 years ago. The assumption was that it would be fully completed within 3-4 years. Contrary to what many on this board think, fundraising efforts have been a priority over the years but we are likely still a couple years away from its completion. Bottom line - our ability to raise significant $ has not been good. This fact makes a move to FBS even more of a pipe dream! Many have complained about Chaves' lack of effort in addressing certain things. I thought Chaves would be very good but the jury is still out for me. What I do know is that it is very tough for him to address some issues due to his budget constraints. In my reviewing the above, it comes across a little more negative than I had hoped but I will leave it as-is. These are my opinions along with some facts. I am not interested in debating any of this. 3
FSSD Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 I took this from another site (AGS) and thought that this would add information to the discuss arounds budgets. Disclaimer: more than likely much of the accounting is simply transfers between departments at each school. So, what is really in those numbers is kind of unknown more than likely not consistent between all schools. MVFC North Dakota State $6,048,728 North Dakota $4,965,053 Illinois State $4,429,532 Youngstown State $4,349,972 Northern Iowa $4,281,286 Indiana State $4,256,090 Southern Illinois $4,212,321 South Dakota $4,031,135 South Dakota State $3,950,727 Missouri State $3,846,066 Murray State $3,514,694 Western Illinois $3,100,811 Big Sky Montana State $6,955,242 Eastern Washington $6,739,278 UC Davis $5,754,648 Montana $5,747,021 Sacramento State $5,515,779 Northern Arizona $5,002,914 Cal Poly $4,546,931 Weber State $4,092,794 Portland State $4,092,668 Idaho State $3,993,358 Northern Colorado $3,882,353 Southern Utah $3,762,056 1
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