Siouxperman8 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 3 hours ago, F'n Hawks said: Yep. I’ll be there next Saturday! We will too. Quote
Sioux94 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Shawn-O said: Luke S. would throw his name in the hat. Why because he is originally from UND? Idaho just lost to Weber State today, much worse team than USD at home . Not saying I hate Luke.....but if he wasn't from UND would he really be on UND's radar? Quote
UND1983 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 5 hours ago, F'n Hawks said: Yep. I’ll be there next Saturday! Yep Quote
sioux24/7 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 I want someone that wants to elevate their career. I’m not saying a 2 year stay and gone for some low level FBS coordinator but if our coach gets poached to be an FBS head coach, that likely means things were going well. 2 1 Quote
MNHawk Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 If we do go through a coaching search, I would love to see us draw from a broader pool of candidates than just guys with UND ties. Jeff Thorne and Spence Nowinsky come to mind as seemingly good coaches with successful track records and are familiar with the Midwest. No idea how interested they would be, but hopefully we consider those types of candidates. 2 Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 9 hours ago, sioux24/7 said: I want someone that wants to elevate their career. I’m not saying a 2 year stay and gone for some low level FBS coordinator but if our coach gets poached to be an FBS head coach, that likely means things were going well. Agreed. At this level of football (FCS), you have to accept (and expect) the possibility your coach may leave if you’re successful. Quite obvious when looking at NDSU over the past 10 years. And there’s no way Bubba fits that category at this juncture. There are several potential candidates for hire, whether coordinators in FCS or even low-tier FBS schools, FBS position coaches, and probably the most popular would be current division II head coaches who have been very successful. Quote
gfhockey Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, UND1983 said: We need a pool with no UND ties 100-% agreed Quote
iramurphy Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 44 minutes ago, UND1983 said: We need a pool with no UND ties Nonsense. Doesn’t matter where they come from. Don’t limit the pool, cuz you may miss the right guy. When the time comes, one of the biggest issues is salaries for head coach and key assistants. 2 Quote
UND1983 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Nonsense. Doesn’t matter where they come from. Don’t limit the pool, cuz you may miss the right guy. When the time comes, one of the biggest issues is salaries for head coach and key assistants. Been 30-40 years of UND guys. Crazy to think there may be better options out there right 2 Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 18 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Nonsense. Doesn’t matter where they come from. Don’t limit the pool, cuz you may miss the right guy. When the time comes, one of the biggest issues is salaries for head coach and key assistants. A major concern is that last time a hiring decision for UND football head coach occurred (2013), the final decision came down to a candidate with UND ties (Bubba) vs candidate without UND ties (DeBoer), and the decision made - in hindsight - was undoubtedly the wrong one. No question on the salary pool though; in order to make competitive offers, need to have a salary pool that competes with UND’s primary competitor institutions: NDSU and SDSU. Have to compete both on and off the field. Quote
iramurphy Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Been 30-40 years of UND guys. Crazy to think there may be better options out there right Didn’t say that at all. You don’t limit options. You find the best coach available. That could be from a small college like Sioux Falls with no UND ties for instance, but could be someone with UND ties. It doesn’t matter where they are from it matters where they are going and where they can take the program. 3 Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, iramurphy said: It doesn’t matter where they are from it matters where they are going and where they can take the program. I agree. And based on the potential pool of candidates, that easily could be someone with no UND ties. The top DII head coaches potentially interested have no UND ties. Quote
Popular Post The Sicatoka Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 I’ve said this about the hockey roster, I’ll say it about football coaches: I don’t care where you’re from; I care where you can take us. 2 3 Quote
Midwestern Hawk Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I’ve said this about the hockey roster, I’ll say it about football coaches: I don’t care where you’re from; I care where you can take us. With football, that is 5-7 wins and a first round playoff exit. 1 Quote
Popular Post The Sicatoka Posted November 12, 2023 Popular Post Posted November 12, 2023 Never forget: Dean Blais … was a Gopher. 6 Quote
iramurphy Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 50 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Been 30-40 years of UND guys. Crazy to think there may be better options out there right Gene Murphy, Roger Thomas and Dale Lennon had UND ties. Pat Behrns had UND ties, struggled here moved to FBS as an assistant then to Omaha as a head coach a with better success. Bubba had UND ties. There may be better options out there so we don’t limit the pool so we don’t miss best option. Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Gene Murphy, Roger Thomas and Dale Lennon had UND ties. Pat Behrns had UND ties, struggled here moved to FBS as an assistant then to Omaha as a head coach a with better success. Bubba had UND ties. There may be better options out there so we don’t limit the pool so we don’t miss best option. Great names, but UND has only won one national championship ever. There has been, and will continue to be, opportunities for greater success. Need to always pursue greater excellence and not become complacent (which is where I think the program and department currently is). UND ties certainly should not be a prerequisite or preferred criteria in hiring process; it limits the ability to find (and ultimately hire) the best candidate in moving UND football forward to unprecedented success. Again, see and learn from 2013 process. Quote
rochsioux Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 Does Bubba have two years left on his contract? Quote
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, rochsioux said: Does Bubba have two years left on his contract? Yes. I don’t know any details of the contract, as far as options for buyout or void years. https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/und-signs-football-coach-bubba-schweigert-to-two-year-extension-through-2025#:~:text=GRAND FORKS — UND football coach,Chaves said in a statement. Quote
tnt Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 40 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Gene Murphy, Roger Thomas and Dale Lennon had UND ties. Pat Behrns had UND ties, struggled here moved to FBS as an assistant then to Omaha as a head coach a with better success. Bubba had UND ties. There may be better options out there so we don’t limit the pool so we don’t miss best option. Wouldn’t care if there were UND ties if those in charge of making the hire didn’t give that extra weight, which it seems like they have in the past. It reminds me of how a lot of people want term limits for Congress, but when it comes to their own state, they are great guys and they keep re-electing them. If things aren’t getting better your term limit is up. 1 2 Quote
90siouxfan Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 What about an FBS head coach from a prominent program that was shown the door for some eye brow raising issues? Quote
sioux24/7 Posted November 12, 2023 Posted November 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: What about an FBS head coach from a prominent program that was shown the door for some eye brow raising issues? He’s going to the NFL Quote
F'n Hawks Posted November 12, 2023 Author Posted November 12, 2023 I looked back at some old threads. There was a poll for Deboer/Bubba and Deboer had the majority on this forum. If the best person available happens to have UND ties, then hire him. But we can’t have what happened last time, as I feel the fact that Bubba had UND ties had too much weight in their decision. 4 Quote
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