Frozen4sioux Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 21 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Absolutely, it’s run by a bunch of delinquents. I know a lot of people in North Dakota with $ to spend but the Champions Club and Alumni Foundation puts up their noses to them. They spend so much time trying to get the big bucks (i.e., the big time donation) from select donors, that they fail to realize there are several moderate donations all over the place that they could be capitalizing on. I think UND athletics fundraising, beyond the hockey community, is god awful. I mean, how could you say it’s not? UND’s non-hockey sports budget is below average… not good enough to yield banners on a consistent basis, that’s for sure. Hate to say it, but NDSU Team Makers has blown UND out of the water the past decade. I would completely agree with you in this. SPECIFICALLY the lack of attention to the mid-moderate levels of Champions club spending. They need to do a much better job recruiting and celebrating those gifts from football alum and supporters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 4 hours ago, SD UND said: I disagree.. what irks me about NIL is that athletes were whining for years... "i want to get paid for my likeness.. blah blah blah" Then, the NCAA allows it to happen...."Ok go make money off yourself." Now instead of the athlete going out and setting it all up and actually earning their money, they expect the coaches and booster clubs to set it up for them.... that's not what it was intended for. Just drives me nuts. We can all dislike it, but we can't ignore it. We need NIL accounts and lots of money in them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, Frozen4sioux said: I would completely agree with you in this. SPECIFICALLY the lack of attention to the mid-moderate levels of Champions club spending. They need to do a much better job recruiting and celebrating those gifts from football alum and supporters. Just curious-what amounts are considered mid-moderate levels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 18 hours ago, Shawn-O said: Landry and Schleusner have been gone long enough that they would bring a fresh approach and be potentially viable candidates in the future, IMO. Maybe. Maybe not. I just don't know why a football program with 15 years of mediocrity would want to keep inbreeding with coaching hires. Find the best guy for the job. If he happens to have spent time in Grand Forks, great. But how likely is that? There are hundreds of college football teams. Thousands of coaches. Many of whom would love to an opportunity to build their resume at this level. Coordinators, big time position coaches take these types of jobs. Lower division head coaches like moving up.. Just need some imagination. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 20 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said: I think the best bet for UND would be to get new blood entirely. We had the chance. It's now in Seattle at "The Dub". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperman8 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Frozen4sioux said: I would completely agree with you in this. SPECIFICALLY the lack of attention to the mid-moderate levels of Champions club spending. They need to do a much better job recruiting and celebrating those gifts from football alum and supporters. This has been going on forever. My dad was in a leadership position In UND letter winners org back when Gino was AD. Even then he complained that the athletic department was only interested in the whales and not the many smaller donors. It obviously worked out with Ralph but they’re leaving a lot on the table. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: We had the chance. It's now in Seattle at "The Dub". Look forward! Not backward silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 minute ago, JohnboyND7 said: Look forward! Not backward silly “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 On 9/27/2022 at 6:05 PM, The Sicatoka said: So why aren't we ahead of SDSU? So ... recruiting, facilities, head start, uh-huh, uh-huh, ... When they jumped their facilities were junk and they were an average DII regarded as a basketball school. Yet, there they are today. Might they have simply had a vision, then developed a plan, and then executed it, regardless of. and not focusing on, what was happening around them either internally or externally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said: Look forward! Not backward silly So you're saying it's wise to hire a coaching staff that's not already at peak potential? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said: Look forward! Not backward silly You seem like you want your brain melted ... How's this: According to this source, he’s one of the 30 hottest coaches under 30 in college FB. https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_7 He played at MSU-Moorhead … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: You seem like you want your brain melted ... How's this: According to this source, he’s one of the 30 hottest coaches under 30 in college FB. https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_7 He played at MSU-Moorhead … Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: Wow! That would trigger cognitive dissonance over at least five states. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 22 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said: I think the best bet for UND would be to get new blood entirely. The culture for UND football needs to change for there to be steps moving forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana This guy had hundreds of other smart quotes, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakvindy Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: So ... recruiting, facilities, head start, uh-huh, uh-huh, ... When they jumped their facilities were junk and they were an average DII regarded as a basketball school. Yet, there they are today. Might they have simply had a vision, then developed a plan, and then executed it, regardless of. and not focusing on, what was happening around them either internally or externally? Bingo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Goon said: The culture for UND football needs to change for there to be steps moving forward. I'm genuinely curious on what specifically are the "culture" issues that need to change? DeBoer and Bubba spent 4 years together at SIU. I doubt they have all that much different of philosophies on culture. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Posted October 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I'm genuinely curious on what specifically are the "culture" issues that need to change? DeBoer and Bubba spent 4 years together at SIU. I doubt they have all that much different of philosophies on culture. The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended. The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year. The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, Irish said: The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended. The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year. The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great. Spot on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Irish said: The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended. The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year. The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great. Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. Regardless, if that was truly the case, then they are wasting a lot of time and effort in the investments currently being made in the program. The reasons for plenty (though not all) of those decisions have been hashed over time and time again and are much easier to criticize (or agree with) given hindsight. Plenty, though again not all, were at least justifiable at the time to anyone who's willing to be objective (which is a big ask for some people). Go ahead and save the "accepting mediocrity" bit, that's been beaten to death as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 12 hours ago, shep said: Just curious-what amounts are considered mid-moderate levels? You know in my mind that's the 500-1500ish level maybe... even 200 to 500 need to be celebrated. IMHO Heck I gave $50 to summer hockey thing one time and I got a call from someone AND a card from coach. I felt appreciated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, jdub27 said: Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. Regardless, if that was truly the case, then they are wasting a lot of time and effort in the investments currently being made in the program. The reasons for plenty (though not all) of those decisions have been hashed over time and time again and are much easier to criticize (or agree with) given hindsight. Plenty, though again not all, were at least justifiable at the time to anyone who's willing to be objective (which is a big ask for some people). Go ahead and save the "accepting mediocrity" bit, that's been beaten to death as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Leaders set the culture which then sets the expectations which then produces results. At the end of today the result of this game matters.....not "Aw shucks we just need to tackle better". 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I get the impression at times that UND is afraid to "hang a number" on an opponent. Other schools roll up 56 and never come off the throttles. UND gets a lead then then sits back and plays for the end of the game. It's like UND is afraid of more than 30 points on their side of the ledger. That's the leadership's doing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 8 hours ago, jdub27 said: Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. So what are those expectations from Administration. Bill gives the impression that this is good enough. I'm giving Andy a full season at the helm to make observations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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