2022 Football Season

[Dustin]

So, do we have a clear picture of which players will be here in '23 and which ones won't?  Or is it still a lot of speculation?

[AJS]

10 minutes ago, Dustin said:

So, do we have a clear picture of which players will be here in '23 and which ones won't?  Or is it still a lot of speculation?

I'm going with there is a lot to the list that Shannon went over on the 360-podcast last week. There has to be. At least to how players are feeling at this moment. I'm guessing we'll see players each way flip, but I would say it's solid. 

[Sioux>Bison]

6 hours ago, AJS said:

That's really good to hear. You wouldn't think it based on some of the opinions on him from some here, but especially these last few weeks, Kaup has been not only good, but far and away the best safety they have. It would be a huge boost if he did indeed come back. I'm talking Siegel / Ventrelli tier of importance. 

If Ventrelli wants to play in the NFL he should come back and improve. Not the kind of Waletzko kind of season that he needed this year

[Nodak78]

7 hours ago, AJS said:

That's really good to hear. You wouldn't think it based on some of the opinions on him from some here, but especially these last few weeks, Kaup has been not only good, but far and away the best safety they have. It would be a huge boost if he did indeed come back. I'm talking Siegel / Ventrelli tier of importance. 

Kaup's mother wants him to come back a little persuasion I think he does.  We have an offense returning key defense to comeback we will be just fine.  Underclassman gives the depth we need.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

What a terrible Monday Mourning.  Gut Puncher.
Lost 3 of the 4 games I wanted to see win this last weekend.  Ugly.

[CMSioux]

On 11/14/2022 at 2:42 PM, AJS said:

That's really good to hear. You wouldn't think it based on some of the opinions on him from some here, but especially these last few weeks, Kaup has been not only good, but far and away the best safety they have. It would be a huge boost if he did indeed come back. I'm talking Siegel / Ventrelli tier of importance. 

The opinions expressed here are light years from the opinions of the players and their parents.

[SuhakiYeahYeah]

Poll: What was more frustrating?

Last year's offense 

This year's defense 

[Dustin]

11 minutes ago, SuhakiYeahYeah said:

Poll: What was more frustrating?

Last year's offense 

This year's defense 

This year’s defense. I thought our offense was decent enough last year. Freund improved upon it this year. Holinka’s defense regressed by a lot. 

[Sioux94]

44 minutes ago, Dustin said:

This year’s defense. I thought our offense was decent enough last year. Freund improved upon it this year. Holinka’s defense regressed by a lot. 

Agree.  Our offensive regression last year was mostly due to losing 3 starters on OL and having a below average OL.  Yes I get we still had Waletzko last year.  We only lose 1 OL next year at least (unless transfers).  With transfers out and graduation though....we did lose quite a bit in OLB and secondary....and it showed.  I guess when you think about our starting OLB's, safeties....and 1 ILB being gone....and 2 corners transferring out...hmmmm maybe shouldn't be surprising in a sense.  But was hoping we had better depth.   Have no clue how we take a huge step forward on D next year. 

[zonadub]

So, Bubba is under contract for the next couple years. If he leaves voluntarily, it will be with a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that one of his staff takes the reigns, presumably Danny. The only way a change happens soon is under Bubba’s rules. There is no way that after getting an extension when UND missed the playoffs that he will be fired after making the playoffs. When Bubba leaves the program needs a total overhaul.

 

I think Oxbow floated this idea a couple months back, but UND should look 70 miles south and get Grant Olson before another program beats UND to him. It worked for Montana State when the hired Brent Vigen (after he followed Bohl to Wyoming).

 

I know Ira will defend Bubba and the coaching staff as he always does, but it really looks like Bubba has reached his ceiling. And even though Danny is very popular, it is time for new blood and a new direction for the program.

[shep]

2 minutes ago, zonadub said:

So, Bubba is under contract for the next couple years. If he leaves voluntarily, it will be with a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that one of his staff takes the reigns, presumably Danny. The only way a change happens soon is under Bubba’s rules. There is no way that after getting an extension when UND missed the playoffs that he will be fired after making the playoffs. When Bubba leaves the program needs a total overhaul.

 

I think Oxbow floated this idea a couple months back, but UND should look 70 miles south and get Grant Olson before another program beats UND to him. It worked for Montana State when the hired Brent Vigen (after he followed Bohl to Wyoming).

 

I know Ira will defend Bubba and the coaching staff as he always does, but it really looks like Bubba has reached his ceiling. And even though Danny is very popular, it is time for new blood and a new direction for the program.

Why is it presumed that Danny wouldn't take the program in a new direction? 

He's 20 some years younger than Bubba and is likely to think differently as a HC than as an OC.

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 minutes ago, zonadub said:

So, Bubba is under contract for the next couple years. If he leaves voluntarily, it will be with a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ that one of his staff takes the reigns, presumably Danny. The only way a change happens soon is under Bubba’s rules. There is no way that after getting an extension when UND missed the playoffs that he will be fired after making the playoffs. When Bubba leaves the program needs a total overhaul.

 

I think Oxbow floated this idea a couple months back, but UND should look 70 miles south and get Grant Olson before another program beats UND to him. It worked for Montana State when the hired Brent Vigen (after he followed Bohl to Wyoming).

 

I know Ira will defend Bubba and the coaching staff as he always does, but it really looks like Bubba has reached his ceiling. And even though Danny is very popular, it is time for new blood and a new direction for the program.

UND has one playoff win in … wait for it … 9 seasons!

Bubba has definitely reached his ceiling. Hiring someone from a successful program, whether that’s NDSU or an ascending DII head coach, just getting new blood at some point is wry important. The current style and culture of the UND football program is certainly not championship caliber. @iramurphy will defend the staff, but the honest to God truth is there are far better, smarter people out there that UND could hire at the same rate they have Bubba currently hired for.  The coaches salary pool still needs to be improved, though, no questions asked. 

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND has one playoff win in … wait for it … 9 seasons!

Bubba has definitely reached his ceiling. Hiring someone from a successful program, whether that’s NDSU or an ascending DII head coach, just getting new blood at some point is wry important. The current style and culture of the UND football program is certainly not championship caliber. @iramurphy will defend the staff, but the honest to God truth is there are far better, smarter people out there that UND could hire at the same rate they have Bubba currently hired for.  The coaches salary pool still needs to be improved, though, no questions asked. 

@iramurphy probably thought Mussman shouldn't have been let go in 2013 either. And that is the attitude holding the entire athletic department down. We are now "that other school in North Dakota that doesn't win anything". 

[sioux24/7]

If a change were to happen, would think we would find out within the week. Having said that, I don’t think anything will happen. 

[MNHawk]

I don’t think it’s a good idea to hire a “UND guy” just because he has a UND background.
 

For those of you who would like to go that route, what makes you think Danny is a better option than Jake Landry or Luke Schleusner? Even if we do stick to UND grads, I think there are better or equal options to what Danny offers. 

[shep]

21 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND has one playoff win in … wait for it … 9 seasons!

Bubba has definitely reached his ceiling. Hiring someone from a successful program, whether that’s NDSU or an ascending DII head coach, just getting new blood at some point is wry important. The current style and culture of the UND football program is certainly not championship caliber. @iramurphy will defend the staff, but the honest to God truth is there are far better, smarter people out there that UND could hire at the same rate they have Bubba currently hired for.  The coaches salary pool still needs to be improved, though, no questions asked. 

I think Ira alluded to this earlier but who are these "far better, smarter people out there" that UND could hire at those salaries?

[MNHawk]

4 minutes ago, shep said:

I think Ira alluded to this earlier but who are these "far better, smarter people out there" that UND could hire at those salaries?

Oh cmon. I wish UND paid much higher salaries to football coaches, but they certainly pay enough to make competitive hires. Bubba makes more than Brent Vigen. 

[Dustin]

21 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

If a change were to happen, would think we would find out within the week. Having said that, I don’t think anything will happen. 

While I think that would be a mistake, I don’t doubt that this is correct. 

[Hawkster]

45 minutes ago, shep said:

Why is it presumed that Danny wouldn't take the program in a new direction? 

He's 20 some years younger than Bubba and is likely to think differently as a HC than as an OC.

How many times does it have to be said?  Inbreeding.

[UND-FB-FAN]

32 minutes ago, shep said:

I think Ira alluded to this earlier but who are these "far better, smarter people out there" that UND could hire at those salaries?

Well, first off, that is a major question, but there should be no doubt better coaches are out there. Starts with what you have to offer contractually and financially. It then takes an extensive search to narrow that down and come up with the guys that are interested. If you look at what Bubba is currently making, there are a ton of FCS coordinators and DII head coaches on the potential list. I personally would go with an up and coming DII head coach, or a coordinator off the SDSU or NDSU staff. Top DII programs include Ferris State, Angelo State, Colorado School of Mines, Grand Valley State, Indiana (PA), and Shepherd.

 

[Wilbur]

Welp, thanks to the seniors for their contributions to the program, thanks again for putting your health on the line time and again.

Big off season ahead.  Be interesting to see who comes our way in the portal.  

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, MNHawk said:

Oh cmon. I wish UND paid much higher salaries to football coaches, but they certainly pay enough to make competitive hires. Bubba makes more than Brent Vigen. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/football/brent-vigens-contract-as-montana-state-football-head-coach-extended-through-2026/article_5432e65f-2349-5ca4-bbd9-c1ad87ff5245.amp.html

Maybe on the surface it looks that way but look at bonuses.

[MNHawk]

15 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bozemandailychronicle.com/sports/bobcats/football/brent-vigens-contract-as-montana-state-football-head-coach-extended-through-2026/article_5432e65f-2349-5ca4-bbd9-c1ad87ff5245.amp.html

Maybe on the surface it looks that way but look at bonuses.

Fair enough. Salary comparisons are probably more complex than they appear on the surface. It does seem that Bubba’s salary would allow us to have a competitive budget for a new hire, but I’d be interested to know if someone has done more research on how UND’s salary+bonuses compare to the salary+bonuses of others. 

[UND1983]

12 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

I can 100% guarantee you that Grant would not take a gig at UND.

Why would UND hire him anyway?  

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 hours ago, SlowHand said:

I can 100% guarantee you that Grant would not take a gig at UND.

Okay SlowBrain