2019 Non-UND FCS Thread

[ND1]

JMU is making the bison look like a JV team right now... loving it 

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, ND1 said:

JMU is making the bison look like a JV team right now... loving it 

Ya they are.........

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, ND1 said:

JMU is making the bison look like a JV team right now... loving it 

This post aged well.

[Siouxperkick]

What do you think- Is it time for NDSU to move their football program up to the next level now? 8 championships in 9 seasons at the FCS level... this question will certainly never go away. Even James Madison is looking at moving up (joining the AAC), and they have nothing on the NDSU program.

I know this article is from July, but still completely relevant.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/brake-fbs-question-133770261/

[homer]

4 minutes ago, Siouxperkick said:

What do you think- Is it time for NDSU to move their football program up to the next level now? 8 championships in 9 seasons at the FCS level... this question will certainly never go away. Even James Madison is looking at moving up (joining the AAC), and they have nothing on the NDSU program.

I know this article is from July, but still completely relevant.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/brake-fbs-question-133770261/

It’s not totally NDSUs decision. Where are they going to go? 

[FlinFlan80]

5 minutes ago, Siouxperkick said:

What do you think- Is it time for NDSU to move their football program up to the next level now? 8 championships in 9 seasons at the FCS level... this question will certainly never go away. Even James Madison is looking at moving up (joining the AAC), and they have nothing on the NDSU program.

I know this article is from July, but still completely relevant.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/brake-fbs-question-133770261/

In my mind, it really doesn't make sense for NDSU to move up to any conference, but the BIG10 and they know that. They also know that competing in the BIG10 would be incredibly difficult for them in all aspects of the move. I do see the argument for the MWC, but at the same time, even if they dominated that conference, which they possibly could, the ceiling there is low and they would never be National Champions ever again.

[JohnboyND7]

10 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said:

In my mind, it really doesn't make sense for NDSU to move up to any conference, but the BIG10 and they know that. They also know that competing in the BIG10 would be incredibly difficult for them in all aspects of the move. I do see the argument for the MWC, but at the same time, even if they dominated that conference, which they possibly could, the ceiling there is low and they would never be National Champions ever again.

NDSU is stuck in an awkward spot. I dont see how they can move up really. Lots of money required. Would be neat to see though. Had North and South Dakota done the smart move and just had one major public school each I think both would be in the FBS and who knows...maybe P5.

[southpaw]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

NDSU is stuck in an awkward spot. I dont see how they can move up really. Lots of money required. Would be neat to see though. Had North and South Dakota done the smart move and just had one major public school each I think both would be in the FBS and who knows...maybe P5.

I think had they moved up to IAA in the 70s with the Montanas and other nearby schools, they all would be FBS now.

[gundy1124]

1 hour ago, Siouxperkick said:

What do you think- Is it time for NDSU to move their football program up to the next level now? 8 championships in 9 seasons at the FCS level... this question will certainly never go away. Even James Madison is looking at moving up (joining the AAC), and they have nothing on the NDSU program.

I know this article is from July, but still completely relevant.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/brake-fbs-question-133770261/

8 of 9....ya, it's a little anticlimactic following FCS football these days.  I haven't watch a final for 4 years now.  You can only watch Forest Gump 3-4 times then it gets a little old.

[Sioux>Bison]

2 hours ago, Siouxperkick said:

What do you think- Is it time for NDSU to move their football program up to the next level now? 8 championships in 9 seasons at the FCS level... this question will certainly never go away. Even James Madison is looking at moving up (joining the AAC), and they have nothing on the NDSU program.

I know this article is from July, but still completely relevant.

https://247sports.com/college/north-dakota-state/Article/brake-fbs-question-133770261/

No conference is going to add NDSU unless they are desperate to add a team. They do not want to split their payouts with another team or two. The MWC just signed a new tv deal for 270 million over 6 years. If they added NDSU they would just have to split that payout with another team.

Like it or not Sioux Volley is right. The only way NDSU is moving up to FBS is if multiple schools move up to form a new FBS conference.

[Shawn-O]

NDSU wants the Mountain West, which is an equally uphill battle as JMU to the American.   

[Shawn-O]

4 hours ago, FlinFlan80 said:

In my mind, it really doesn't make sense for NDSU to move up to any conference, but the BIG10 and they know that. They also know that competing in the BIG10 would be incredibly difficult for them in all aspects of the move. I do see the argument for the MWC, but at the same time, even if they dominated that conference, which they possibly could, the ceiling there is low and they would never be National Champions ever again.

The B1G notion is silly.  Has very little to do with ability to compete on an athletic stage, and very much to do with elitism and an unspoken hierarchy amongst academia.  Said another way, the Big Ten presidents will never allow for this.  Same goes true with UND and the B1G Hockey conference.   

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, Shawn-O said:

NDSU wants the Mountain West, which is an equally uphill battle as JMU to the American.   

The MWC would never take an FCS team for a move up unless they lost a bunch to P5, which could be decades.  NDSU does not have big enough metro area and good enough mbb.

If the MWC need new schools, they would take Rice or UTSA.

[MafiaMan]

2 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

8 of 9....ya, it's a little anticlimactic following FCS football these days.  I haven't watch a final for 4 years now.  You can only watch Forrest Gump 3-4 times then it gets a little old.

[bison73]

2 hours ago, Shawn-O said:

NDSU wants the Mountain West, which is an equally uphill battle as JMU to the American.   

We do??????  May be Lakes---but not the rest of us.

[FlinFlan80]

2 minutes ago, bison73 said:

We do??????  May be Lakes---but not the rest of us.

Ya I am far from an NDSU fan, but I don't think the MWC is something NDSU wants a part of. That conference has really lost some clout if you ask me. Boise is your top dog and they are no where near the current FBS playoff format. This maybe gets NDSU some intriguing non-conference games and a gator bowl yearly, but that's not what Bison fans want. Let's also remember, there are more sports than football that would have to more over......

[MIBT]

3 hours ago, Shawn-O said:

NDSU wants the Mountain West, which is an equally uphill battle as JMU to the American.   

I would be surprised if NDSU would want to be a part of the MWC for the same reason I think UND to the Big Sky was a mistake. The core recruiting market for UND and NDSU should be Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa. If they recruit there it will be harder to get athletes if they know all their road games are far away. If they try to recruit in the footprint of the MWC they'll be targeting far from Fargo/Grand Forks. I think that's the main reason UND struggled to be consistent in the BSC and should do better at least in recruiting in the MVFC. From a geography standpoint the MAC is a better option and possible the AAC. The AAC would need to be a football-only option though because the cost of travel for all the other sports would be prohibitive. I expect them to stay FCS for the near future.

[SiouxVolley]

4 hours ago, bison73 said:

We do??????  May be Lakes---but not the rest of us.

FCS will throw a party when NDSU leaves for FBS.  They may even force the Bison to leave for a higher level.i

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, MIBT said:

I would be surprised if NDSU would want to be a part of the MWC for the same reason I think UND to the Big Sky was a mistake. The core recruiting market for UND and NDSU should be Dakotas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa. If they recruit there it will be harder to get athletes if they know all their road games are far away. If they try to recruit in the footprint of the MWC they'll be targeting far from Fargo/Grand Forks. I think that's the main reason UND struggled to be consistent in the BSC and should do better at least in recruiting in the MVFC. From a geography standpoint the MAC is a better option and possible the AAC. The AAC would need to be a football-only option though because the cost of travel for all the other sports would be prohibitive. I expect them to stay FCS for the near future.

My theory is that NDSU didn’t want UND in the MVFC so as to weaken the program.  Chapman and Taylor were entirely capable of throwing monkey wrenches at UND so even talks with the Southland football were started.  But the Big Sky heard the back office commotion and came through with offers for both UXD’s..

The Forum printed that UND was not wanted because the MVFC didn’t want to go to eleven schools.  Well, the MVFC is scheduled to go to 11 next year with different NDSU AD’s and President.

And there are least two Montana schools that greatly value a Dakota presence.

[nd1sufan]

7 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The MWC would never take an FCS team for a move up unless they lost a bunch to P5, which could be decades.  NDSU does not have big enough metro area and good enough mbb.

If the MWC need new schools, they would take Rice or UTSA.

The MWC has talked about adding FB only schools. That is the only way NDSU gets in the MWC. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

The MWC has talked about adding FB only schools. That is the only way NDSU gets in the MWC. 

The MWC has talked about non-football schools, like Gonzaga.  But never fb only schools to my knowledge.  Boise St and SDSU would have gone Big West for other sports if they accepted an American fb only offer

The MWC already has a fb only school, Hawaii, so it doesn’t need another.  Gonzaga would fill out the non football half and 12 would be the effective total number.  Hawaii is just too much travel and burden for all sport membership.

Seen some NDSU fans talking American fb only membership on AGS, which is as blatantly absurd as BIG and Big 12 membership.  NDSU would not be accepted just based on academics and research, never mind media and overall athletics.

If the MWC wanted a 13th fb school, UC Davis would come in first from FCS because of academics, research and being in a major media market.  But the MWC hasn’t called out for an additional FB team and Texas CUSA ones would be first.  TCU used the MWC to get a Big 12 bid.

[SWSiouxMN]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

The MWC has talked about adding FB only schools. That is the only way NDSU gets in the MWC. 

Legit question for the Bison fans:  would you accept this arrangement?  Or would even that be a no go? 

[bison73]

15 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Legit question for the Bison fans:  would you accept this arrangement?  Or would even that be a no go? 

I dont see the upside to that move. You wont be playing for a championship and no hope to.

[Cratter]

24 minutes ago, bison73 said:

You wont be playing for a championship and no hope to.

NDSU already gave up winning championships for all their sports (except football) for more prestige by moving up.

No reason they wouldn't do it again.

[JohnboyND7]

5 minutes ago, Cratter said:

NDSU already gave up winning championships for all their sports (except football) for more prestige by moving up.

No reason they wouldn't do it again.

Might be a little different since football would be the one giving up titles now... personally, I think it's about money. It's very expensive to play at that level.