Bracketology

[UND-1]

12 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400871380

The final score likely has more to do with mistakes (including a fumble in the end zone) by SDSU. When you look at the final stats SDSU ran the ball 52 times for over 400 yards and had 630 total yards to USD 353.

Our coaching staff have been working on building up a running game to go with a top 5 FCS passing game. If we get to come to Grand Forks it should be fun. Indoors, turf...

Oh, so you purposely tried to only win by 7.  There we have it.  

[homer]

3 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Oh, so you purposely tried to only win by 7.  There we have it.  

It wasn't that they couldn't throw, they just didn't try.  They could have named the score.  

[Westside]

14 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400871380

The final score likely has more to do with mistakes (including a fumble in the end zone) by SDSU. When you look at the final stats SDSU ran the ball 52 times for over 400 yards and had 630 total yards to USD 353.

 

Our coaching staff have been working on building up a running game to go with a top 5 FCS passing game. If we get to come to Grand Forks it should be fun. Indoors, turf...

I'll now take my leave and let you continue with your pity party.

Hmmm.... Sounds a lot like this game...

http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400869746

Good thing your coaching staff is "building up a running game" after pounding out 71 yards against Cal Poly.

 

[Longtime fan]

14 minutes ago, jacksfan29 said:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/matchup?gameId=400871380

The final score likely has more to do with mistakes (including a fumble in the end zone) by SDSU. When you look at the final stats SDSU ran the ball 52 times for over 400 yards and had 630 total yards to USD 353.

 

Our coaching staff have been working on building up a running game to go with a top 5 FCS passing game. If we get to come to Grand Forks it should be fun. Indoors, turf...

I'll now take my leave and let you continue with your pity party.

Mistakes are part of the game...if you were to make those same mistakes against UND you will lose. UND capitalizes on mistakes and it sounds like sdsu likes to make enough of them.

 It would be fun if sdsu comes to gf....were indoors and have turf like you mentioned.

[UNDColorado]

37 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

It wasn't directed at you man, relax

It was more of an exaggerated general joke, about several things that we have hear over the year..... Satirical humor.

 

Satire is a technique employed by writers to expose and criticize foolishness and corruption of an individual or a society by using humor, irony, exaggeration or ridicule. It intends to improve humanity by criticizing its follies and foibles.

 

... Kind of goes along the same lines as the "quality losses" jokes that have been on this forum since last year.

This guy gets it!

[bincitysioux]

4 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Exactly, take NDSU out of that conference and what have they done?  Nobody other than NDSU in that conference has won a National Championship in the past 15 years.  They all lose to NDSU you every year during the regular season, but one team in the conference knocks them off once a year.  Well every team gets a crack at NDSU every single year, so yes most likely a MVFC team is going to be the one to beat them eventually as they know their style and play them every year.   But just the fact that the other teams play NDSU and lose, the other teams in the conference are somehow all better.  MVFC is a very good conference no doubt, I just don't believe they are head and shoulders above the rest like they think they are, and facts don't lie.....Big Sky has a better record of them head to head this year. 

The fact that that conference was immediately and continues to be dominated by two former DII programs as soon as they joined it says plenty about the overall strength of the other teams in the MVFC in my opinion.  NDSU's success obviously isn't so surprising, except for the 5 Nattys, who could predict that?  They've had a tremendous program forever.  But SDSU accomplished more in their first three years in the Valley than they did in 100 years in the NCC.  

[FargoBison]

Well I do remember one MVFC team playing NDSU for the title. So I guess somebody else did something. If the committee had bracketed properly last year it may have happened again. 

That said the league is a bit down this year. Still good but not as deep. Also I would hardly say SDSU has dominated the league, they've been on a similar level of UNI and ISUR. 

[gundy1124]

4 minutes ago, FargoBison said:

Well I do remember one MVFC team playing NDSU for the title. So I guess somebody else did something. If the committee had bracketed properly last year it may have happened again. 

That said the league is a bit down this year. Still good but not as deep. Also I would hardly say SDSU has dominated the league, they've been on a similar level of UNI and ISUR. 

What's the injury report on SU?  I have heard RB's are dinged.  A good d-line guy was lost, and even us UND guys know about DeLuca, he is fun to watch.  Is your left tackle blocking anyone, yet, he sure wasn't game #1.

Thanks-

[FargoBison]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

What's the injury report on SU?  I have heard RB's are dinged.  A good d-line guy was lost, and even us UND guys know about DeLuca, he is fun to watch.  Is your left tackle blocking anyone, yet, he sure wasn't game #1.

Thanks-

The team should be very healthy by the playoffs, except for DeLuca and Tanguay who are of course done for the year. 

The DL looked alright last week without Tanguay but that was against Indiana State.

The OL has improved a lot as the season has moved along, rushing offense is on point but Stick is kind of struggling with his passing. 

[Sioux94]

2 hours ago, FargoBison said:

Well I do remember one MVFC team playing NDSU for the title. So I guess somebody else did something. If the committee had bracketed properly last year it may have happened again. 

That said the league is a bit down this year. Still good but not as deep. Also I would hardly say SDSU has dominated the league, they've been on a similar level of UNI and ISUR. 

I actually was going to add that the one year Illinois State played them in the championship so I was going to give them that.  But I got a work call and had to just hit send lol.

UNI is often considered one of your toughest game every year, and probably considered one of the traditional conference power houses am I right?  Roughly 35 years at the FCS level they have one Championship game appearance, with a loss.  That said UNI has a very good program, but they are not mini LSU like some NDSU people like to think just because they usually give you a tough game.   Heck UND beat them at their house in the early 2000's when we were DII. 

The previous couple of years the MVFC I think most could say was the best conference, this year just doesn't bare that out that the conference is head and shoulders above the rest. 

[Vegas_Sioux]

9 hours ago, siouxfan512 said:

You should be careful before you get banned from the internet. UND is lucky they didn't play MT or EWU this year. UND had a soft soft soft schedule, and does not deserve to be ranked, nor in the playoff talk, nor in college football at all. UND only beat Cal Poly because Joe Protheroe did not play. And we play in the Big Fluffy so in reality our 9-0 conference record would equate to about 0-9 in the MVFC.

Did I cover everything?

1-8 we did beat USD or does that not count since it was at home?

[Vegas_Sioux]

32 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

I actually was going to add that the one year Illinois State played them in the championship so I was going to give them that.  But I got a work call and had to just hit send lol.

UNI is often considered one of your toughest game every year, and probably considered one of the traditional conference power houses am I right?  Roughly 35 years at the FCS level they have one Championship game appearance, with a loss.  That said UNI has a very good program, but they are not mini LSU like some NDSU people like to think just because they usually give you a tough game.   Heck UND beat them at their house in the early 2000's when we were DII. 

The previous couple of years the MVFC I think most could say was the best conference, this year just doesn't bare that out that the conference is head and shoulders above the rest. 

and that put is behind GSVU requiring a trip to Allendale instead of GSVU coming to Grand Forks

[Cratter]

#leavenodoubt

http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-football/4159119-bubba-und-deserves-first-round-bye

 

[Bison06]

7 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

I actually was going to add that the one year Illinois State played them in the championship so I was going to give them that.  But I got a work call and had to just hit send lol.

UNI is often considered one of your toughest game every year, and probably considered one of the traditional conference power houses am I right?  Roughly 35 years at the FCS level they have one Championship game appearance, with a loss.  That said UNI has a very good program, but they are not mini LSU like some NDSU people like to think just because they usually give you a tough game.   Heck UND beat them at their house in the early 2000's when we were DII. 

The previous couple of years the MVFC I think most could say was the best conference, this year just doesn't bare that out that the conference is head and shoulders above the rest. 

Does it exclude Montana from being considered a powerhouse since a DII NDSU beat them in '03?

[FSSD]

22 hours ago, mj23 said:

NDSU Quality wins

#12 SDSU

#14 Charleston Southern

#15 Youngstown State

#19 Western Illinois

 

EW Quality Wins

#17 Montana

#20 Cal Poly

 

I'm not seeing much to warrant them having a higher seed.

 

EWU did beat the number #20 team in the FBS poll - Washington St. - best win FCS this year.

[CMSioux]

Except some are saying now that if the team you beat is no longer ranked then you didn't beat a ranked team - or maybe that only applies to UND.

[Siouxperfan7]

So besides NDSU, SDSU, and Youngstown St, the rest of the MVFC is nothing to brag about.  Can we PLEASE stop talking about how elite the MVFC is and how hard each teams in the conference strength of schedule is?  You have 3 good teams.  That's it!! 

[UND-1]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

Does it exclude Montana from being considered a powerhouse since a DII NDSU beat them in '03?

If you inserted "was" in there you could call them a powerhouse.  

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Except some are saying now that if the team you beat is no longer ranked then you didn't beat a ranked team - or maybe that only applies to UND.

The standing logic on ranked wins or losses could be fixed entirely IMO by not ranking teams at all until midsession.

eg. (hypothetical) UND is unranked in week 3 of the season. They are 2-1 with a loss to Fresno state and wins against drake and Furman. UND has looked good in both wins and lost a tough game to Fresno 35-17, but the game was closer than that. Due to their record the previous season being 3-8, they were unranked in the preseason polls and continue to be unranked heading into a matchup with #13 ranked EWU. Now EWU has sort of the opposite scenario going. They are 1-1, had the bye week in week three. They lost a blowout game to Boise state and beat DII central Washington 87-12. They started the year ranked #8 following a deep playoff run the previous year. They lost 11 starters off that team, but the pollsters know EWU's pedigree and assume they will re-load their talent.

UND beats the then ranked #13 eagles handily. 

UND goes on to an 8-3 season and EWU goes on to a 7-4 season and ends the season unranked, due to a late season loss to the Idaho state, who only had 2 wins all year.

Due to preseason rankings, UND has a really nice win on their resume and EWU has a loss to an unranked team. Which dropped them from #13 to #24 and they fought the rest of the season to stay ranked.

Due to preseason polls, which let's be honest are absolute BS. Pull names out of a hat, look at how many seniors they lost...made up with no logic IMO. Due to preseason polls, the entire world had a skewed view of what happened that day in September when UND beat EWU. UND didn't get a quality win, but their ranking the rest of the season was positively effected as if they did. EWU didn't have a bad loss, but their ranking the rest of the year showed they did. All these problems would go away if they waited a few weeks to rank the teams.

Side note, people seem more willing to see how a team ends up when speaking about a loss then they do when speaking about a win. In my example above, UND fans would be happy to claim they have a win against #13 on their resume, but EWU fans would wait and see where UND ended the season ranked to decide if it was a good or bad loss.

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

So besides NDSU, SDSU, and Youngstown St, the rest of the MVFC is nothing to brag about.  Can we PLEASE stop talking about how elite the MVFC is and how hard each teams in the conference strength of schedule is?  You have 3 good teams.  That's it!! 

This year you can say that, on most other years you would have to add ISU and UNI to that list.

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

If you inserted "was" in there you could call them a powerhouse.  

Not sure a couple of down years is enough to call a program like Montana a has been.

[UND-1]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Not sure a couple of down years is enough to call a program like Montana a has been.

Seven down years but I get what you are saying.  They obviously have a rich history but recently haven't been in the discussion at all.  

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, UND-1 said:

Seven down years but I get what you are saying.  They obviously have a rich history but recently haven't been in the discussion at all.  

They definitely haven't been their usual dominating force lately, hope they can turn it around. A strong Montana is good for FCS football.

[UND-1]

Regarding your point above about when a team was ranked, I use Poly as an example.  They were playing outstanding football when they ran all over SDSU and came into the Alerus Center two weeks later.   Slowly, teams have gotten tape on them and slowed down the option.  

Does that mean Poly wasn't one of the Top 10 teams in the country for the first 5-6 weeks of the year?  Not in my mind.  It means their staff hasn't adjusted to what teams are doing, they are having injuries, etc.  

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

13 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Not sure a couple of down years is enough to call a program like Montana a has been.

The Bizon will soon be a has been!