Matt Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 But Western Illinois got beat by that same team by a worse score and had a worse record.My thoughts on that game have nothing whatsoever to do with WIU Quote
Nodak78 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Bubba is a class act. Bubba will bring us a championship, I have no doubt. Quote
Popular Post Bison Dan Posted November 23, 2015 Popular Post Posted November 23, 2015 It's crap like this as the reason why we got out of DII. 8 Quote
homer Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 I don't know. You may have a case over EIU, but everybody seems to be talking about a 6 win WIU team getting in as a travesty when it is not. If you aren't going to take strength of schedule and stength of conference into consideration, then you take a 9 win MEAC team or a 9 win Patriot Team over any 7 or 8 win team from another conference.having the two best teams from last year in the same conference does not automatically make it the best conference and every team in it too 25 quality. I don't buy the strength of schedule arguement. Quote
UNDBIZ Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I woke up this morning still angry. Turkey day can't get here soon enough. Quote
UNDColorado Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I woke up this morning still angry. Turkey day can't get here soon enough.Ditto. Still pissed and trying to come up with a legitimate reason why we were left out and just can't. I hope our guys are pissed, have a great offseason, and come back and wipe the floor with EVERY team we play next season. 1 Quote
2TRU4U Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 having the two best teams from last year in the same conference does not automatically make it the best conference and every team in it too 25 quality. I don't buy the strength of schedule arguement. MVFC is the top football conference; not because of having the two best teams last year, but because of the best non-conference record this year.You are correct that having the two best teams last year doesn't make every team top 25 quality. Having 8 teams in the top 25 makes those 8 teams top 25 quality 1 Quote
UNDColorado Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 In your guys favor, I would hope the undeserved teams that got in over you get their A**** kicked personally. Make the committee look stupid picking them.I am hoping for the same thing, unfortunately WIU has cupcake dayton. Hopefully ISUr destroys them. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 It's crap like this as the reason why we got out of DII. But Dan, it's here in FCS now. Quote
homer Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 MVFC is the top football conference; not because of having the two best teams last year, but because of the best non-conference record this year.You are correct that having the two best teams last year doesn't make every team top 25 quality. Having 8 teams in the top 25 makes those 8 teams top 25 qualityI must have missed the poll that has 8 MVFC teams ranked in the top 25. 1 Quote
Big Green Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Anyone catch when the guy said Bohl had to leave the Missouri Vally in order for UND to beat him? I laughed as he has never beat UND. 2 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Take a look at the bracket, honestly:They regioinalized and bus-tripped the F'Hawks out of it. I can't believe I'm doing this, but I'm agreeing with BisonDan: they DII'd it. Edited November 23, 2015 by The Sicatoka 2 Quote
NYSioux Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 MVFC is the top football conference; not because of having the two best teams last year, but because of the best non-conference record this year.You are correct that having the two best teams last year doesn't make every team top 25 quality. Having 8 teams in the top 25 makes those 8 teams top 25 qualityI certainly wouldn't argue that the MVFC is a stronger conference overall. Unfortunately, the committee went out of its way with the WIU selection. To me, it's not even about just western Illinois. UND should have been safely in the field ahead of a few teams (including WIU).I thought I needed just a day to vent, but it might be a 9 month recovery process . I can't imagine how some of the seniors are feeling. 1 Quote
Popular Post jdub27 Posted November 23, 2015 Popular Post Posted November 23, 2015 How about a 9-2 NC A&T or an 8-3 North Carolina Central? Or a 9-2 San Diego or Jacksonville if it all about the number of wins. Have you ever seen an 18-12 major ACC school gat an at large bid over a 26-4 mid major? WIU over UND is the same thing. WIU plays in the toughest FCS conference in the country and was 5-3 in it. They deserve to be in. You may have a case over EIU, but not WIU. They put all 5 MVFC teams on the same side of the bracket because they knew that was the only way to avoid another all MVFC final. They don't want that to happen again. All 5 MVFC teams were on one side because SDSU !@#$ the bed and lost their seed. After that, it all becomes regionalization. That is written into the selection committees criteria, but keep crying that it is a conspiracy (note that I'm not agreeing with it, strictly pointing out that it is laid out for all to see). Before the selection show, the complaint was that McNeese was a mirage but would get seeded above NDSU. The committee gave the MVFC fans exactly what they wanted, ISU and NDSU were the next best teams behind JSU. Not hard to work backwards from there and see how the bracket ended up the way it does when regionalization is written into the criteria of how the brackets are set. As for the toughest conference thing, Sagarin has the Big Sky as the #2 conference. Here's how the top 5 conferences, in Sagarin's order of "toughness" fared.1. MVFC - 5 of 10 (50% of the conference) made the field. Had 5 eligible teams (100% success rate)2. Big Sky - 3 of 13 (23% of the conference) made the field. Had 7 eligible teams (43% success rate)3. Southern - 2 of 8 (25% of the conference) made the field. Had 3 eligible teams (67% success rate)4. CAA - 4 of 12 (33% of the conference) made the field. Had 6 eligible teams (67% success rate)5. OVC - 2 of 9 (22% of the conference) made the field. Had 4 eligible teams (50% success rate)The 2nd hardest conference had the least success. Since its all about conference strength, I'd love to hear your explanation. 7 Quote
GeauxSioux Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) So right now some NDSU posters over on AnygivenSaturday have a link up to this thread where their gloating over this. Let's remember that when one of them tells you how you're not supporting the state when you're cheering for them to lose in two weeks. Apparently these guys haven't figured out that just because their football team wins, it doesn't mean that they personally aren't classless pieces of trash. I saw in one of the threads on AGS that UND gets the recruiting leftovers from NDSU, SDSU and UNI. Thanks so much for Santiago. I'm sure that none of y'all want him. Edited November 23, 2015 by GeauxSioux Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 I saw in one of the threads on AGS that UND gets the recruiting leftovers from NDSU, SDSU and UNI. Thanks so much for Santiago. I'm sure that none of y'all want him.after what I saw of him in Fargo, I don't think you'll see ttoo many folks upset he is in Grand Forks. 6 Quote
choyt3 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 I saw in one of the threads on AGS that UND gets the recruiting leftovers from NDSU, SDSU and UNI. Thanks so much for Santiago. I'm sure that none of y'all want him.When you factor in that NDSU has not lost a recruiting battle for anyone that they wanted in the last eleventy three years, I'm sure Santiago wasn't a good "fit" there. Besides, Bruce Anderson, according to Phil Hansen, has shown signs that he could become the best RB that NDSU has EVER put on the field. And that's without even having a 100 yard game yet. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 When you factor in that NDSU has not lost a recruiting battle for anyone that they wanted in the last eleventy billion and three years, I'm sure Santiago wasn't a good "fit" there. Besides, Bruce Anderson, according to Phil Hansen, has shown signs that he could become the best RB that NDSU has EVER put on the field. And that's without even having a 100 yard game yet. FIFY. Quote
jdub27 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 When you factor in that NDSU has not lost a recruiting battle for anyone that they wanted in the last eleventy three years, I'm sure Santiago wasn't a good "fit" there. Besides, Bruce Anderson, according to Phil Hansen, has shown signs that he could become the best RB that NDSU has EVER put on the field. And that's without even having a 100 yard game yet. Phil Hansen is the same guy who during a game last year declared John Crockett the best back in college football. Not FCS, every division. I have no problem with announcers having a little homer streak to them but seriously... Quote
Shawn-O Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Phil Hansen is the same guy who during a game declared John Crockett the best back in college football last year. Not FCS, every division. I have no problem with announcers having a little homer streak to them but seriously...He's a numbskull. Too much helmet-to-helmet contact back in the Bills days. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) NDSU is also splitting carries among 3-4 runnings backs each game. Hard to have a backup get 100 yards averaging 6 carries a game.There have been games where Santiago is 100+ after six carries. Edited November 23, 2015 by The Sicatoka Quote
choyt3 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 NDSU is also splitting carries among 3-4 runnings backs each game. Hard to have a backup get 100 yards averaging 6 carries a game.If he's going to be the best EVER, might be finding him some carries... Or risk that a talent that great becomes disgruntled and moves on. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Well, I woke up this morning still angry. Turkey day can't get here soon enough.I'm going to be to pussed and bitter about this for a long time. Hopefully the excitement of the recruiting season will take the edge off. To truly get over it 100% is going to take a playoff birth next season and a deep run. Even then I'll probably still have that what if feeling and major sympathy for the seniors. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 NDSU is also splitting carries among 3-4 runnings backs each game. Hard to have a backup get 100 yards averaging 6 carries a game.It's because none of your backs are good enough to be featured. If they were theyd be getting Crockett Ojuri McNorton like carries. 1 Quote
UND1983 Posted November 23, 2015 Posted November 23, 2015 Bruce is a stud, he's young but definitely deserves more carries. NDSU tends to do a lot of splitting with the younger backs and Frazier. He's averaging 6.2 a carry on the year. I'd say he's good enough.You call him Bruce? Cool bro. Quote
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