ArchyAlum11 Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Sorry, but I'm going to repeat myself: it's a bird in a head dress. That'll never fly. Or else a parrot and a crow "got busy" ... " I have successfully combined a parrot with a crow! No longer will people in have to have two separate birds for Pirate parties and and Edgar Allen Poe recitations". 1 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 On 12/2/2015 at 11:44 AM, southpaw said: Geaux_sioux's green logo above is still my favorite. Below is geaux_sioux's logo with my poor amateur changes (which won't/shouldn't happen, but I enjoyed it). On 12/2/2015 at 4:49 PM, UNDBIZ said: Quote
Hawkster Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 5 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Sorry, but I'm going to repeat myself: it's a bird in a head dress. That'll never fly. Or else a parrot and a crow "got busy" ... I fully agree, but apparently some people here think it's appropriate to keep poking the NCAA with obvious images like that. NCAA has made it clear that Native American imagery isn't acceptable so stop trying to slip in a few misplaced. 1 1 Quote
UND1981 Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Is William & Mary the only recent case of the NCAA saying no to feathers on a new logo? I think it is total BS that we are afraid of putting feathers on a new logo. That raises the likelihood that the new logo will be plain, geometric and very ordinary; not the homerun needed to lift the spirits of UND fans having to accept the FH name. Quote
zonadub Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 22 hours ago, UNDBIZ said: Geaux_sioux's green logo above is still my favorite. Below is geaux_sioux's logo with my poor amateur changes (which won't/shouldn't happen, but I enjoyed it). I must say that I really like the subliminal SIOUX across the feathers on the bottom of your rendering. 1 Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 17 hours ago, TRex said: I fully agree, but apparently some people here think it's appropriate to keep poking the NCAA with obvious images like that. NCAA has made it clear that Native American imagery isn't acceptable so stop trying to slip in a few misplaced. I don't think the NCAA is going to come back at tell UND that their bird logo can't have feathers. Now, if UND comes up with a logo with a bird with a headress similar to the old Sioux logo, then they may have ground to stand on. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 39 minutes ago, UND1981 said: Is William & Mary the only recent case of the NCAA saying no to feathers on a new logo? I think it is total BS that we are afraid of putting feathers on a new logo. That raises the likelihood that the new logo will be plain, geometric and very ordinary; not the homerun needed to lift the spirits of UND fans having to accept the FH name. Feathers that look like they belong on a bird would not be a problem. Feathers that look like a Native American headdress, or resemble any kind of Native American symbol, will more than likely be a problem with the NCAA. 1 Quote
77iceman Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 I'm on the opposite side of all of this, I guess. I'd hope that the new logo has NOTHING to do with the old one. I don't call ex girlfriends just to hear their voice . . . I don't test drive a Lamborghini knowing I can't afford it. Move on and have a really great version of the new name and logo, instead of a watered down version of the old logo that will just be a reminder of who they're NOT anymore. That said, I'll miss the old Sioux name and logo. But I'm over it. 2 Quote
ArchyAlum11 Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, 77iceman said: I'm on the opposite side of all of this, I guess. I'd hope that the new logo has NOTHING to do with the old one. I don't call ex girlfriends just to hear their voice . . . I don't test drive a Lamborghini knowing I can't afford it. Move on and have a really great version of the new name and logo, instead of a watered down version of the old logo that will just be a reminder of who they're NOT anymore. That said, I'll miss the old Sioux name and logo. But I'm over it. I would say that if we are going with family or relationship based analogies then the Fighting Sioux name and Logo is closer to a child getting taken away by social services, not an ex-girlfriend, we didn't break up the Fighting Sioux, we were forced to surrender it by the powers that be, but i digress. I hope they find some subtle way to incorporate the old logo, nothing too obvious but a subtle element that fans would pick up on from the old logo. However the smart money is on them doing something generic and in line with what a focus group things will be the latest trend in branding, rather than trying to make something timeless. 1 Quote
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 1 hour ago, ArchyAlum11 said: rather than trying to make something timeless. Nothing is "made" timeless; things become timeless, over time, hence the root word. Appreciate this difference, and I think you'll find this entire process a bit more palatable. Quote
jdub27 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Three finalists announced:Summit Athletics MediaSME IncPhoenix Design Works Fairly impressive portfolios. SME did the Big Sky and NAU rebranding among other things. Phoenix Design does a ton of college work. Summit seems to handle more specific events/things but do have a variety in their portfolio. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted January 28, 2016 Author Posted January 28, 2016 I'm hoping for SME. I think they could do a good job. Quote
dagies Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 paging through Phoenix's college branding it looks like we'll get the normal, blaise', animal image related to "fighting hawks". Nothing terribly innovative or imaginative. Just a nice bird image. bleh SME's stuff looks better to me It's hard to tell how much collegiate logo development Summit has done but nothing on their site looks all that exciting. Quote
jdub27 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, dagies said: paging through Phoenix's college branding it looks like we'll get the normal, blaise', animal image related to "fighting hawks". Nothing terribly innovative or imaginative. Just a nice bird image. bleh SME's stuff looks better to me It's hard to tell how much collegiate logo development Summit has done but nothing on their site looks all that exciting. That was kind of the all-around opinions I formed as well. If I had a vote, it would go to SME. Here's an example of Phoenix's interpretation of a hawk for UL-Monroe UMass-Lowell (Riverhawks) Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 1 minute ago, jdub27 said: That was kind of the all-around opinions I formed as well. If I had a vote, it would go to SME. Here's an example of Phoenix's interpretation of a hawk for UL-Monroe (Riverhawks) Hate this! 2 Quote
Ray77 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Question from those of us that aren't licensing experts. Does whatever company that UND goes with get a flat fee for coming up with the logo, and then UND gets 100% of the licensing merchandise money? Or does this company get a % of that money? What if UND wants an 'alternate logo' 3 years down the road? Do they have to go back to this company, or could they open it up again? What all does this contract entail? Quote
UNDBIZ Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Let's go with the Jack Nicholson look..... 2 Quote
Hayduke Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 2 hours ago, jdub27 said: Three finalists announced:Summit Athletics MediaSME IncPhoenix Design Works Fairly impressive portfolios. SME did the Big Sky and NAU rebranding among other things. Phoenix Design does a ton of college work. Summit seems to handle more specific events/things but do have a variety in their portfolio. I hope Don Draper works for one of those firms.... 2 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 On 1/27/2016 at 1:37 PM, dakota said: I must say that I really like the subliminal SIOUX across the feathers on the bottom of your rendering. I attempted to be more discreet with this one, haha: Quote
jdub27 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, Ray77 said: Question from those of us that aren't licensing experts. Does whatever company that UND goes with get a flat fee for coming up with the logo, and then UND gets 100% of the licensing merchandise money? Or does this company get a % of that money? What if UND wants an 'alternate logo' 3 years down the road? Do they have to go back to this company, or could they open it up again? What all does this contract entail? Which ever firm is hired is paid as an outside contractor doing "work for hire" and all rights, interests, etc are transferred to UND. I'd assume UND is free to come up with alternate logos in any manner they want in the future. The scope is pretty much all encompassing. Start from scratch and come up with everything. The RFP states: Quote A comprehensive brand package that includes, though is not limited to: Primary graphic logo Secondary mark(s) Custom font Style guide Brand usage guide Quote
ericpnelson Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, jdub27 said: That was kind of the all-around opinions I formed as well. If I had a vote, it would go to SME. Here's an example of Phoenix's interpretation of a hawk for UL-Monroe (Riverhawks) If we get some garbage like this, I'll move from self-enforced indifference on Fighting Hawks to open rebellion. I'll make t-shirts that say Go and list every single player on the roster of said sport than have anything do with the creepy pervert smile coming from a hawk. Then I can talk about how crappy it is, and I can't be accused of not supporting the team. I will be as pissed as a person can get about a stupid cartoon bird if what we end up with is on par with this. I'll blame everyone involved as well. Couldn't hate that bird more ... 3 Quote
jdub27 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 29 minutes ago, ericpnelson said: Couldn't hate that bird more ... Oh really? Well what if I showed you this version of it? 2 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, ericpnelson said: If we get some garbage like this, I'll move from self-enforced indifference on Fighting Hawks to open rebellion. I'll make t-shirts that say Go and list every single player on the roster of said sport than have anything do with the creepy pervert smile coming from a hawk. Then I can talk about how crappy it is, and I can't be accused of not supporting the team. I will be as pissed as a person can get about a stupid cartoon bird if what we end up with is on par with this. I'll blame everyone involved as well. Couldn't hate that bird more ... What if it were like, wearing a funny hat, or something? Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Oh really? Well what if I showed you this logo of it? now it just looks like a creepy child molester... Quote
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