Bubba Extended

[fightingsioux4life]

Full Disclosure: I will not be dumping my season tickets over this. However, my hopes and expectations have taken a big dive.

[jdub27]

18 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

Bubba's body of work speaks for itself, but this contract is a reflection of Chaves lack of awareness.

He's paid the second lowest salary in the conference and the assistant pool is middle of the pack.
By the end of his latest extension he'll still be below the median.
I don't think that complaining he's overpaid compared to where they've finished in the conference is the argument that I think you think it is.

This is not saying he should be paid more or should have gotten an extension, it is a fact based comment on conference salaries.

[Siouxperman8]

6 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Full Disclosure: I will not be dumping my season tickets over this. However, my hopes and expectations have taken a big dive.

Same with me. 

[dmksioux]

36 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Same with me. 

The only reason I’m dumping is because that’s the only way the administration will listen. They’ll ignore the fan base emails, as evidenced by the acceptance of an avg to below avg athletics program outside of hockey and by rewarding mediocrity.  

[TheFlop]

5 hours ago, jdub27 said:

I wouldn't.

Towing the company line til the bitter end.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

Nepotism, Corruption and Mediocrity continues at UND! 
 

No surprise … it’s easier just accepting apathy at this point. 
 

Good luck folks with your mediocrity. Hard to be too proud of my alma mater at this point. I’ll direct my dollars and investments elsewhere. Can’t believe I’ve put in as much $ as I have … stupidity! Pile on, I admit it! I screwed up supporting this program, but I’ll still be around a bit.
 

The local traditions and culture around NE North Dakota and western Minnesota (with the exception apparently being Fargo, which is unsurprisingly booming) continues to astonish me.  

[siouxfan512]

1 hour ago, jdub27 said:

He's paid the second lowest salary in the conference and the assistant pool is middle of the pack.
By the end of his latest extension he'll still be below the median.
I don't think that complaining he's overpaid compared to where they've finished in the conference is the argument that I think you think it is.

This is not saying he should be paid more or should have gotten an extension, it is a fact based comment on conference salaries.

Yeah, I wasn't talking in comparison to other schools, more in general. Everyone knows UND isn't competitive in the salary market for football. The implication was not that Bubba is overpaid, but that his performance has hardly warranted multiple extensions. Let's be honest, regardless of what anyone feels a head football coach should be paid, $250-$300k a year is a damn nice life when you're living in Grand Forks. 

[fightingsioux4life]

12 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Nepotism, Corruption and Mediocrity continues at UND! 
 

No surprise … it’s easier just accepting apathy at this point. 
 

Good luck folks with your mediocrity. Hard to be too proud of my alma mater at this point. I’ll direct my dollars and investments elsewhere. Can’t believe I’ve put in as much $ as I have … stupidity! Pile on, I admit it! I screwed up supporting this program, but I’ll still be around a bit.
 

The local traditions and culture around NE North Dakota and western Minnesota (with the exception apparently being Fargo, which is unsurprisingly booming) continues to astonish me.  

Maybe now people will stop telling you to shut up about the shortcomings of our once-proud FB program. You have been right about all of this. Kudos to you, sir.

If we had more people like you in the athletic department, things might be different.

[fightingsioux4life]

44 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

The only reason I’m dumping is because that’s the only way the administration will listen. They’ll ignore the fan base emails, as evidenced by the acceptance of an avg to below avg athletics program outside of hockey and by rewarding mediocrity.  

It's a dilemma. I don't want to penalize the players who bust their behinds all year to get better. But I also don't want to reward mediocrity. A Catch-22 for sure.

[jdub27]

33 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Towing the company line til the bitter end.  

No, talking to people who were actually involved in the meetings. Notice I didn't say I anywhere that I did or didn't agreed with any of it? There's enough to criticize without making things up. 

[Wilbur]

But have you guys heard him speak at the luncheons???  

[rochsioux]

Wow. Unbelievable. 
Tell me UND administration doesn’t give a sh1t about football without telling me they don’t give a sh1t about football. 

[wheelsup]

5 hours ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

On one hand I can't believe the extension...on the other hand, it should have been expected by all of us...

Looks like the standard for UND football is 5-7 wins a season...

I will be really surprised if we make it to 5 wins this next year.  I could actually see us only getting 3.  I hope I am surprised.. Im interested in seeing what the offense will do.. Im scared to death for what our defensive minded head coach and defense will actually do!

My biggest question with this extension.. is just WHY?  Same exact question as his last extension.. Why?  He still had two years on his current contract!!!! I understand the perspective of wanting to have continuity for recruits etc.. but that is a never ending death spiral of extensions for mediocre performance.  I doubt there is a single person that regularly attended UND football games in person last season outside of Bubbas family that thinks this extension was needed or a good idea.  The debacle that has been this off season did not suggest that an extension was needed.. so again WHY?

I read the article today and was sick to my stomach.. I already was expecting this next year was going to be rough unless the defense somehow magically improved.. I still had hope for the offense but was really nervous with all of the turnover (nervous but optimistic).  Now I see 4 more years of Bubba.. (we will never buy him out) and Im just totally depressed.  The difference between us and NDSU and SDSU seems like the Grand Canyon.  At NDSU there was serious discussion about getting rid of Entz after he lost to us this year.. He recovered and by the end of the year was arguably the 3rd best team in FCS with a couple of incredible road playoff wins that UND can only dream of.  At UND we extend a coach with a barely above .500 record.  The difference in expectations and results between our two programs is so substantial its hard to take right now.

Another comment above was that somebody would take a 20 pt spread against NDSU all day.. here are the last few games

2015 away - 9-34 ((25 pts)

2019 away - 7-38 (31 pts)

2020 away - 13-34 (21 pts)

2021 home - 10-16 (6pts)

2022 away - 21-42 (21 pts)

2023 home 49-21  - yay us..

Based on the last 4 road games in the dome we will get beat by at least 20 pts and we are likely bringing one of the worst defenses in recent memory and a lot of new offensive players/staff.  My guess is NDSU will score as many points as they want to on us.  I still have nightmares about Hunter Luepke battering the crap out of our undersized d-line.

I havent decided what Im going to do with my season tickets yet.. I love UND football and am old enough to remember when we were relevant, but its getting harder and harder to make the drive up to Grand Forks.

[MadScout03]

Interesting how the 1883 Collective is announced, specifically mentioning the fact they’ve been working with UND on this process, people get excited about it and the future of UND athletics and keeping up with the Jones’s, and then magically, this is slipped under our nose. Coincidence? I hardly think so. 

[nodakvindy]

6 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So we went through the time and expense of moving up from Division 2 to Division 1 to have an "above average FCS program" in a division that is heavily watered down with really weak programs? You basically just said "Nattys don't matter". I don't tolerate that B.S. in the hockey threads and I don't tolerate it here, either. The FB boosters pushed hard for this Division I move 15 years ago. I don't think they did it to be "an above average FCS program". This entire athletic department is being run like a high school and I am sick and tired of it. Anyone who thinks this is how it should be done, please make your case.

The boosters may have pushed for the move but I haven't seen the monster donation that can help get over the hump. Not expecting a Ralph type outlay, but where is the backing. Even softball has gotten a new stadium from a single donor. Where is that support for football. 

[Green Banner]

5 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So you think FCS isn't horribly watered down? It is. And pretending it isn't doesn't make it true.

We better move up to FBS

[SIOUXFAN97]

6 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Calling the wrong plays. 
 

 

u quadruple reverses when we need 2 yds........i don't think bubba is calling those plays.

[Sioux94]

I apologize in advance if I become a pessimistic dick at times over the next four years. Come game time I'll still be rooting hard, but if things go south it's going to be hard to stay positive.....at all. 

[CMSioux]

I'm willing to give the student athletes that were recruited in the past three years the benefit of the doubt - it's not like the cupboard is bare. Yes it will be hard to look past what has transpired with Bubba, hard to understand that the Administration either didn't hear the rumbles or didn't care about them. I guess we will learn from the portal what the current student athletes think about the extension. 

[wheelsup]

23 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

I'm willing to give the student athletes that were recruited in the past three years the benefit of the doubt - it's not like the cupboard is bare. Yes it will be hard to look past what has transpired with Bubba, hard to understand that the Administration either didn't hear the rumbles or didn't care about them. I guess we will learn from the portal what the current student athletes think about the extension. 

I think this is true on the offensive side of the ball.. not so sure on the defensive side.  We will see what happens after the spring sessions.

[AJS]

Completely disappointed, but not surprised. Emotions are high, but it's disappointing to see people dropping their season tickets. Here's what I believe is fact, until Chaves is gone. Wins and losses, do not matter. Dropping season tickets won't matter. The best you can hope for is to ride it out, until he's gone. We're also in this very unique time in collegiate athletics where these programs need as much support as possible. I don't want to see the student-athlete suffer. 

Let's start the monthly NIL contributions, let this wave pass and wait to hear some good news. As far as the players themselves, I wouldn't think this would move the needle. Bubba was going to coach this year regardless. 

 

[fightingsioux4life]

32 minutes ago, AJS said:

Completely disappointed, but not surprised. Emotions are high, but it's disappointing to see people dropping their season tickets. Here's what I believe is fact, until Chaves is gone. Wins and losses, do not matter. Dropping season tickets won't matter. The best you can hope for is to ride it out, until he's gone. We're also in this very unique time in collegiate athletics where these programs need as much support as possible. I don't want to see the student-athlete suffer. 

Let's start the monthly NIL contributions, let this wave pass and wait to hear some good news. As far as the players themselves, I wouldn't think this would move the needle. Bubba was going to coach this year regardless. 

This is why I am not dumping my season tickets. But this is still unacceptable and the last straw for me. President Armacost is the only one who can change the tone and expectations around here. I honestly don't care what Chaves has to say about anything anymore.

[jdub27]

31 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

This is why I am not dumping my season tickets. But this is still unacceptable and the last straw for me. President Armacost is the only one who can change the tone and expectations around here. I honestly don't care what Chaves has to say about anything anymore.

Armacost has been an absolute shot in the arm for the athletic department with the momentum on all the capital projects and Alston payments among other things. Given all the support he has given the athletic department and of course the AD reports to him, do you actually think Chaves didn't discuss this with Armacost prior to it being done?

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Armacost has been an absolute shot in the arm for the athletic department with the momentum on all the capital projects and Alston payments among other things. Given all the support he has given the athletic department and of course the AD reports to him, do you actually think Chaves didn't discuss this with Armacost prior to it being done?

Facility upgrades are essential and I give him, Chaves and the donors who put up the cash credit for those. But this total lack of expectations and accountability will make those upgrades meaningless. Human nature is what it is. If you have a nice, comfy job where being average to slightly above average is good enough for endless contract extensions, you can expect the same results over and over. Expecting different results is the very definition of insanity.

And I would hope Armacost isn't micromanaging Chaves. Somehow I don't think he got to where he is by doing that. I put both their e-mail addresses earlier in this thread because both of them are responsible for this inane extension. If you want to make your case for the extension, please go right on ahead. But don't complain about my disagreement with it. Make a coherent case that Bubba deserved the extension.

[gfhockey]

What’s the way to send a message then emails don’t work we all know that

 

its usually $$$