UND @ NDSU 11/19/2022

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Let's move on ladies.

Lol, this made me laugh. Good work.

[nd1sufan]

1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

Maag's elbows were down and possibly a knee and a hip.  It looks like Maag is attempting to run towards the middle of the field (the huddle) rather than up the sideline.  Bison #1's body language says he was upset about Maag catching a ball, not that he was trying to make a tackle.

BS. Guarantee you Maeg tries to continue running if he is not tackled again. He is not getting up to run back to the huddle and they are not in a hurry up offense. He was trying to get on SC like Belquist did earlier this season. 

[UND1983]

16 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Lol, this made me laugh. Good work.

Lol. That play meant nothing and is worthless.  The plays where NDSU ran for tons of yards meant something.  

[Siouxperman8]

21 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Fair enough.

What is your assessment of why the flag was picked up?

I think the db knew enough go over the line but hold back a little so it wasn’t totally egregious.  In my opinion - Once it was called it should have stuck 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, Bison06 said:

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s questionable, but I think if the players were reversed, you’d all be arguing the other side of this one.

An official was right there. Did and when did the whistle blow. 

[N of GF]

#1's body language tells me he knew it was worthy of a penalty. He wasn't celebrating with his teammates; he was pissed off.

If Maag was trying to extend the play, why was he going directly toward two Bison coming in to high five #1?

The ref was already coming out to spot the ball. So, the ref, and two of #1's teammates knew the play was over when he flipped Maag. So, the whistle had already blown? That's roughing, isn't it?

This is an honest question. I'm not a super-duper-football mind like so many people around here; Even if the play isn't over, is this a legal tackle? I thought you couldn't lift someone off the ground in the course of tackling them.

Either way, this play doesn't change the outcome. It's still interesting to debate interpretation of the rules, though.

[nd1sufan]

32 minutes ago, N of GF said:

#1's body language tells me he knew it was worthy of a penalty. He wasn't celebrating with his teammates; he was pissed off.

If Maag was trying to extend the play, why was he going directly toward two Bison coming in to high five #1?

The ref was already coming out to spot the ball. So, the ref, and two of #1's teammates knew the play was over when he flipped Maag. So, the whistle had already blown? That's roughing, isn't it?

This is an honest question. I'm not a super-duper-football mind like so many people around here; Even if the play isn't over, is this a legal tackle? I thought you couldn't lift someone off the ground in the course of tackling them.

Either way, this play doesn't change the outcome. It's still interesting to debate interpretation of the rules, though.

You can’t pick somebody up and body slam them. Grabbing a leg is not a penalty.

[N of GF]

7 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

You can’t pick somebody up and body slam them. Grabbing a leg is not a penalty.

How about lifting someone's leg up until they fall over? He didn't just 'grab his leg'.

Edit to add: Focus on Maag's feet only. Tell me how that happens without being lifted off the ground?

[Bison06]

31 minutes ago, N of GF said:

How about lifting someone's leg up until they fall over? He didn't just 'grab his leg'.

Edit to add: Focus on Maag's feet only. Tell me how that happens without being lifted off the ground?

Focusing on his feet, it appears he is lifted because he is trying to run away.

[tnt]

I suppose one can look at it in different ways, because when I saw it in live time I thought it was a personal foul, then when I watched the replay, I interpreted it that the Bison player didn't think Maag was down.  Regardless, I don't think a play like that swings momentum so UND magically stays in a game where they were dominated by the Bison. 

[Siouxperfan7]

Should a flag have been thrown?  Maybe not.  But once it was thrown, it should have remained a penalty.  Unless this play was reviewed.  Can't remember.  There were like 30 that day! 

[N of GF]

11 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Focusing on his feet, it appears he is lifted because he is trying to run away.

LOL. Okay. The DB started in a crouching position, hung on to his leg as he stood up, then actually left his feet a little bit as he pulled Maag's left leg upward. Maag's knee is almost head high when his right hand finally releases. He was just 'grabbing his leg', though. 

Kent Hrbeck would love this argument.

The play was over. It's clearly roughing.

Whatever. As many have said, it doesn't change the outcome. It's just more fun to talk about this instead of reading the same people bitch about the same things over and over.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[dmksioux]

13 minutes ago, N of GF said:

LOL. Okay. The DB started in a crouching position, hung on to his leg as he stood up, then actually left his feet a little bit as he pulled Maag's left leg upward. Maag's knee is almost head high when his right hand finally releases. He was just 'grabbing his leg', though. 

Kent Hrbeck would love this argument.

The play was over. It's clearly roughing.

Whatever. As many have said, it doesn't change the outcome. It's just more fun to talk about this instead of reading the same people bitch about the same things over and over.

Happy Thanksgiving!

As a Braves fan, this brings up bad memories.  

[The Sicatoka]

8 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

As a Braves fan, ...

I'm sorry for you.
Did you lose a bet?
Were you dropped as a child?

   

[geaux_sioux]

Poor little 6’4” 210lb Maag getting bullied by big bad 5’10” 187lb Eubanks.

Like I said, soft. Our team has no gravel in their guts. Who are the guys on our team that scare the opponent? Who sets the tone? NDSU is full of guys that play with an edge, it’s their brand. They love it. We have nice guys. 

[SiouxFan100]

I could see that it was possible that the defense wasn’t sure Maag was called down. 

[N of GF]

15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Poor little 6’4” 210lb Maag getting bullied by big bad 5’10” 187lb Eubanks.

Like I said, soft. Our team has no gravel in their guts. Who are the guys on our team that scare the opponent? Who sets the tone? NDSU is full of guys that play with an edge, it’s their brand. They love it. We have nice guys. 

Yes, yes. You've made it clear how you feel about Maag. Too white, and all.

[geaux_sioux]

6 minutes ago, N of GF said:

Yes, yes. You've made it clear how you feel about Maag. Too white, and all.

Maag and Bo aren’t too white. Our wr room certainly is though. I like Maag, really good player. Just wish he wasn’t soft. I wish the team wasn’t soft in general.

[N of GF]

2 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Maag and Bo aren’t too white. Our wr room certainly is though. I like Maag, really good player. Just wish he wasn’t soft. I wish the team wasn’t soft in general.

Okay.

I just wish we could discuss one specific play without it leading to a bitch-fest about the whole team. Especially when that specific play could have led to a bitch-fest about the Bison. LOL. 

Have a Happy Thanksgiving!

[JohnboyND7]

1 hour ago, N of GF said:

 

It's clearly roughing.

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

Judge I interned for during law school once told me, "If you ever see someone write 'clearly', it almost certainly isn't clear."  

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

[UND Football Fan]

As a former college lineman decades ago, I personally saw nothing wrong. Magg’s movement initially looked running and the player grabbed longer because of movement and momentum made it looked worse in my opinion. 
 

This come from a guy who hates DB’s because they talk crap or annoy by kneeing your head as you try to get off the ground from a cut block.  They knew we linemen rarely can get revenge in a game.
 

Linebackers and defensive line to me had more respect for each other during a game, because during the course of the game there are opportunities to settle feuds. 

As to that Happy Thanks Giving and beat Weber on Saturday!

 

[homer]

^^^what about punters and their hard nosed style??

[Bison06]

1 hour ago, N of GF said:

LOL. Okay. The DB started in a crouching position, hung on to his leg as he stood up, then actually left his feet a little bit as he pulled Maag's left leg upward. Maag's knee is almost head high when his right hand finally releases. He was just 'grabbing his leg', though. 

Kent Hrbeck would love this argument.

The play was over. It's clearly roughing.

Whatever. As many have said, it doesn't change the outcome. It's just more fun to talk about this instead of reading the same people bitch about the same things over and over.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Clearly roughing…It’s anything but clear, it’s grey area, which is why you have a split of how people are seeing it.

Happy Thanksgiving to you as well.

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Judge I interned for during law school once told me, "If you ever see someone write 'clearly', it almost certainly isn't clear."  

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

Spoken like an Atty.  Ambiguity is the mother's milk foe Atty fees.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

2 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Judge I interned for during law school once told me, "If you ever see someone write 'clearly', it almost certainly isn't clear."  

 

Happy Thanksgiving!

My grandson once told me, "If someone posts that they are not trolling, it almost certain that they're a troll."