brianvf Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, farce poobah said: I agree with almost all your picks above, but since I've started the crazy talk here about WMU's coach as a deserving candidate for COTY, I'll go through the rationale in a little more detail. And yeah as a UND fan I bleed green and would love to see UND's staff rewarded for their accomplishments in bringing together a pile of new players and a goaltender who needed to listen to Karl for a while before getting his thinking into his head. (And I'm going to ignore Carle for this discussion, even though I think he and Berry may split the votes that go to the Title Team.) Let's start with # years experience in the job Ferschweiler 1. Berry 6. First year coaches always get a bonus there. Preseason expectations vs actual/current rankings. NCHC: WMU Preseason #6 Actual #3. UND Preseason #2 (tied almost) Actual #1 tied. Nationally (USCHO Preseason vs current Pairwise. WMU Preseason Not Ranked (#24) Current #5. UND Preseason #7 Current #6. UND has met preseason expectations, while Western Michigan has clobbered them. Average Age of roster WMU 22.3 UND 21.8 (Source CHN, I didn't check their calculation.) Average # Seasons of College Playing Experience (Fr 1 So 2, etc to 5 years for some) WMU 2.50 UND 2.33 # 5th Year players on the roster WMU 2 (Ethan Frank, Josh Passolt) UND 2 (Connor Ford, Zach Driscoll) Not sure where you think they have a pile of super seniors, but that number looks equal to me. You broke it down nicely! Definitely a good argument for Fersch there. UND was picked to finish #3 in the preseason poll, rather than #2 (almost tied though with #2, as you mention). 5th year players...you're missing Washe for WMU, although he has since been kicked off the team, he was a big returnee at the beginning of the season. When it was announced that Attard, Frank, Passolt, and Washe were returning that should have bolstered WMU's ranking in the eyes of NCHC and USCHO preseason pollsters, but they were under-ranked IMO. WMU kept their talented group together, while UND had to hit the transfer portal in order to replenish their losses. 1 Quote
farce poobah Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, brianvf said: You broke it down nicely! Definitely a good argument for Fersch there. UND was picked to finish #3 in the preseason poll, rather than #2 (almost tied though with #2, as you mention). 5th year players...you're missing Washe for WMU, although he has since been kicked off the team, he was a big returnee at the beginning of the season. When it was announced that Attard, Frank, Passolt, and Washe were returning that should have bolstered WMU's ranking in the eyes of NCHC and USCHO preseason pollsters, but they were under-ranked IMO. WMU kept their talented group together, while UND had to hit the transfer portal in order to replenish their losses. Fair point, that preseason expectations for Western Michigan should have been higher. Still amazed at how quickly UND turned around it season, with the best winning percentage of the season in latter January and February against very tough competition. 3 Quote
tnt Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 7 hours ago, brianvf said: You broke it down nicely! Definitely a good argument for Fersch there. UND was picked to finish #3 in the preseason poll, rather than #2 (almost tied though with #2, as you mention). 5th year players...you're missing Washe for WMU, although he has since been kicked off the team, he was a big returnee at the beginning of the season. When it was announced that Attard, Frank, Passolt, and Washe were returning that should have bolstered WMU's ranking in the eyes of NCHC and USCHO preseason pollsters, but they were under-ranked IMO. WMU kept their talented group together, while UND had to hit the transfer portal in order to replenish their losses. Add in the circumstances of the season with UND losing their best player for half the games for various reasons, then not being able to field a full roster missing All-conference players, and that adds to Berry's resume. The fact that they held it together after they were swept by Cornell and Western is another plus on their side of the ledger. Fans were confident we wouldn't even make the tournament and then to run into the injuries and still come out the other side with a conference title no less, is impressive. Don't know if Western ever seemed in jeopardy of not making the tournament. Yes, Western lost Washe, but I would argue the fact he was on the team when I'm sure the allegations were well known should detract from Western Michigan. 1 Quote
UNDColorado Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 IN regard to the super senior debate I have to add that while the breakdown is similar it does not take into account UND had to re-build and Western simply had them coming back. A proper re-build means that the new additions need to gel with the team and culture and that happened. It doesn't always happen that way. My nod goes to Berry. Quote
burd Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 What the coaches accomplished in the WMU and UMD series alone, with that roster and at crunch time, pushes Berry over the top, IMO. Quote
Blackheart Posted March 11, 2022 Posted March 11, 2022 I swear that Passolt kid has been at Western longer than Chay Genoway was at UND. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 21 hours ago, Blackheart said: I swear that Passolt kid has been at Western longer than ... Is he close to having his son skate on a line with him? 1 Quote
Blackheart Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 18 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Is he close to having his son skate on a line with him? No, but the wife and kids do drop him off at practice every day... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 Here’s hoping for a DU/UND final at the X Saturday. Why? I’d doubt the NCAA would set up a hard rematch a week later in the Regional in Loveland. 2 Quote
Popular Post SIOUXELEVENS Posted March 13, 2022 Popular Post Posted March 13, 2022 You dont remember when we played the gophers in the final five and then the regionals at least twice. 5 Quote
Benny Baker Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 42 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said: You dont remember when we played the gophers in the final five and then the regionals at least twice. Yup. 2007 and 2012, at least. Frankly, happens too much to UND. And in 2011, UND won the final five in double OT against Denver only to have to beat Denver again a week later in the regionals to get to the frozen four. ***2017 too, FWIW. UND lost to Duluth in frozen face off final. NCAA sends UND and Duluth to the same regional the very next week. *****2015 too, as I come to think of it. UND lost to St Cloud in the frozen faceoff. UND beat St Cloud the next week in regionals. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 Sorry, had a minor lapse thinking the NCAA was logical and just. My bad. Quote
Sweethockey Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Benny Baker said: Yup. 2007 and 2012, at least. Frankly, happens too much to UND. And in 2011, UND won the final five in double OT against Denver only to have to beat Denver again a week later in the regionals to get to the frozen four. ***2017 too, FWIW. UND lost to Duluth in frozen face off final. NCAA sends UND and Duluth to the same regional the very next week. *****2015 too, as I come to think of it. UND lost to St Cloud in the frozen faceoff. UND beat St Cloud the next week in regionals. 2012, wasn’t that the “timeout” game at the Final 5 and we got our butts handed to us at Regionals the following week in St. Paul? Quote
Benny Baker Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sweethockey said: 2012, wasn’t that the “timeout” game at the Final 5 and we got our butts handed to us at Regionals the following week in St. Paul? Indeed it was. Quote
farce poobah Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweethockey said: 2012, wasn’t that the “timeout” game at the Final 5 and we got our butts handed to us at Regionals the following week in St. Paul? I’ve never been prouder of a Sioux team that got our butts handed to us. 2 Quote
brianvf Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 27 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said: It’s about time we win this thing The Frozen Faceoff? We did last year. Quote
AlphaMikeFoxtrot Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 2012 I blame on the new jerseys introduced at the NCAA tournament. Quote
Blackheart Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said: 2012 I blame on the new jerseys introduced at the NCAA tournament. That and half the team was injured. 1 Quote
SiouxHawkGuy Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, brianvf said: The Frozen Faceoff? We did last year. In St.Paul! Quote
brianvf Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 UND/WMU is the night game on Friday. DU/UMD is the afternoon game. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, brianvf said: UND/WMU is the night game on Friday. DU/UMD is the afternoon game. All 3 games on CBS Sports Network Quote
Blackheart Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 Question for you experts out there...if UND is the home team on Friday, which end will they be attacking twice? Was considering going to Friday's game. Quote
iluvdebbies Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Blackheart said: Question for you experts out there...if UND is the home team on Friday, which end will they be attacking twice? Was considering going to Friday's game. I would say the Zamboni end. Quote
Blackheart Posted March 13, 2022 Posted March 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: I would say the Zamboni end. Being the expert cartographer that I am, I would assume the Zamboni end is on the right side of the attached pic. (Section 123) 1 Quote
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