TheFlop Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, dynato said: Okay, now do every age bracket over 20 That would just drive home the point even more. Younger healthy people aren't at any meaningful risk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, UND1983 said: So the teachers are controlling whether school and sports come back? Or is it "all it takes is one kid to spread it and every teacher, parent and Grandma in the county gets sick" Asking for a friend does a "positive" equate to "sick"??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynato Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, UND1983 said: So the teachers are controlling whether school and sports come back? Or is it "all it takes is one kid to spread it and every teacher, parent and Grandma in the county gets sick?" You can put words in my mouth all you want. Still no answers to the questions I asked. They are the questions that need to be answered if you want school to happen. It is not just a function of the health and safety of the students, majority will be fine and recover. It is a function of the teachers and adults who are surrounding the children. People who would be tough to replace if they quit or die due to changing and poor work conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynato Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, TheFlop said: That would just drive home the point even more. Younger healthy people aren't at any meaningful risk Are all teachers young healthy people with limited meaningless risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, dynato said: Are all teachers young healthy people with limited meaningless risk? Here we are back to the narrative, “if it’s saves one life”. Why did we decide that it’s ok to lock down normal life to protect such a small minority, when an infinitely more logical solution is to protect and isolate the vulnerable? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, dynato said: You can put words in my mouth all you want. Still no answers to the questions I asked. They are the questions that need to be answered if you want school to happen. It is not just a function of the health and safety of the students, majority will be fine and recover. It is a function of the teachers and adults who are surrounding the children. People who would be tough to replace if they quit or die due to changing and poor work conditions. You are stealing from the ND Teachers Union, which obviously wants all 100 of their questions addressed before they will come back. Which is quite literally impossible and they know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynato Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Here we are back to the narrative, “if it’s saves one life”. Why did we decide that it’s ok to lock down normal life to protect such a small minority, when an infinitely more logical solution is to protect and isolate the vulnerable? Again, I'm not with that save one life narrative. I think everyone needs to go back to work and that we should isolate the sick and vulnerable. I'm also on the side where isolating the sick and vulnerable means we as a community need to proceed with caution during this health pandemic. People are going to die, it's all calculated risk in the end. As I mentioned in my first post on critical thinking, 20% of teachers are over 55. They are at the most risk of dying. What does isolating the vulnerable mean in this case? Firing any teacher over 55 who doesn't want to teach in person? Good luck with that message. Replacing/protecting 20% of your vulnerable workforce is no easy task either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Dodging the question again. Textbook labeling someone a racist with zero to back it up. We will accept your non answer as an admission that you were wrong. Moving on. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas_Sioux Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: FOX News Houston consulate was epicenter of research theft by China, State Department says According to abc news people reported smoke coming from the building on Tuesday. When went to investigate they were burning documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, Vegas_Sioux said: According to abc news people reported smoke coming from the building on Tuesday. When went to investigate they were burning documents. My brother in law UND '75 lives in Houston, claims his neighbor saw the smoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 38 minutes ago, dynato said: Are all teachers young healthy people with limited meaningless risk? So you have no problem with grocery store workers and others being put in harm's way but not teachers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison06 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, dynato said: Again, I'm not with that save one life narrative. I think everyone needs to go back to work and that we should isolate the sick and vulnerable. I'm also on the side where isolating the sick and vulnerable means we as a community need to proceed with caution during this health pandemic. People are going to die, it's all calculated risk in the end. As I mentioned in my first post on critical thinking, 20% of teachers are over 55. They are at the most risk of dying. What does isolating the vulnerable mean in this case? Firing any teacher over 55 who doesn't want to teach in person? Good luck with that message. Replacing/protecting 20% of your vulnerable workforce is no easy task either way. How about asking those teachers how they feel, are they comfortable coming back? Some will some won’t. Use the teachers that want to stay home as the virtual teachers for the time being and let everyone who is comfortable get back to it. When back, take extra precautions. masking, hand washing, no school assemblies, lunch in the classrooms instead of in mass gatherings in one space. Use the gyms, one nice days utilize outdoor spaces. Utilize empty commercial space in the communities. The list is endless of what could be done. It seems as though many are looking for problems when they should be thinking of solutions, there are so many ways to get the kids back to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 44 minutes ago, dynato said: Are all teachers young healthy people with limited meaningless risk? Newsflash, picking an occupation where you will be surrounded by 20-30 booger picking kids all day might not be the best field if you have a compromised immune system. This is nothing new. What is new is that many of those teachers got a taste of working from home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman91 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Maybe some good news? https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-measures-have-all-but-wiped-out-the-flu-in-the-southern-hemisphere-11595440682 https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/infection-control/flu-cases-significantly-down-in-southern-hemisphere.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Old Fella said: 2nd day in a row virus deaths over 1,000. 100 days to election. Average 300 deaths per day/30,000 deaths/200,000 deaths by election. < 2.1 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 12 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: AP-NORC poll: Very few Americans back full school reopening https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/07/22/ap-norc-poll-very-few-americans-back-full-school-reopening/24569122/ Should equivalency tests be developed to test grade school kids? Should they be held back if they fail and expected to repeat the grade the following school year or just pushed through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, petey23 said: Should equivalency tests be developed to test grade school kids? Should they be held back if they fail and expected to repeat the grade the following school year or just pushed through? I posted an article, I never suggested holding kids back. You tell me, how do we, say get to January? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Hopefully we have some k-12 classroom schooling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, wxman91 said: Maybe some good news? https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-measures-have-all-but-wiped-out-the-flu-in-the-southern-hemisphere-11595440682 https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/infection-control/flu-cases-significantly-down-in-southern-hemisphere.html Possibly. Any chance the decline is in part due to people getting sick with what traditionally would have been classified as flu now being classified as "presumed" Covid 19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman91 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheFlop said: Possibly. Any chance the decline is in part due to people getting sick with what traditionally would have been classified as flu now being classified as "presumed" Covid 19? There is a direct quote in the second link about only finding COVID. It does make intuitive sense that if you are trying to reduce the pathways for COVID that a side benefit would be the reduction of pathways for the seasonal influenza, which is less transmissible. One of my concerns about schools is how they would deal with a presumed COVID case prior to testing, and how complicated it would be with the other seasonal bugs going around. If the flu is dramatically reduced, that would be a giant help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Hopefully we have some k-12 classroom schooling. Parents in MN aren't betting on Walz. IIRC I read private school enrollment is up 19% in MN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 hours ago, gfNDfan said: f*ck you for judging me and pretending you cared about a someone most of UND hated and couldn't wait to get rid of. If you care about someone who REALLY gave to UND go here... https://www.gofundme.com/f/dewwdu-caring-for-a-caregiver?utm_source=customer&utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=copy_link-tip and F*CK you again judgy aholeQ What is wrong with you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Parents in MN aren't betting on Walz. IIRC I read private school enrollment is up 19% in MN. Not going to be an easy process for either state just to decide what to do to finish schooling in 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Bison06 said: Here we are back to the narrative, “if it’s saves one life”. Why did we decide that it’s ok to lock down normal life to protect such a small minority, when an infinitely more logical solution is to protect and isolate the vulnerable? careful, thats logical thinking.....nobody wants to hear that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 29 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Not going to be an easy process for either state just to decide what to do to finish schooling in 2020. Do you have a crystal ball? Have Fauci on speed dial? Or just committed to the fear porn? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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