Prospective Recruits

[Benny Baker]

On 11/11/2022 at 10:03 AM, Benny Baker said:

Important to remember that NIL has only been around since July 1, 2021 though.

I think this is worth repeating.

For anyone not concerned about NIL, I fear that is the same mentality UND had when it neglected to transition to DI when a few other Dakota schools did.

Keep up with the joneses or expect to fall behind …

[KCSioux]

I know for a fact 6 figure NIL deals were in play for college baseball players to portal to SEC schools last summer. If that is happening in that niche sport I’m sure it is going on or will start to happen for hockey. 

[SiouxScore]

24 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:

What do you mean “Minnesota’s NIL”?  My understanding is that NILs need to be independent (at least financially) from the school. This is why most people are concerned that NIL will serve to benefit the Big 10/larger schools the most because they pump out 50k grads a year. 

That is why Michigan already has NIL programs like:

-the licensing and apparel agreement with the Brandr Group

-the Victors Exchange program that matches businesses with student athletes

-the champions collective, see above

-Wolverine+, the sports subscription program that pays players.

Hell, every Florida Atlantic female athlete is getting paid by the Florida Panthers. 

So the idea is not that FAU, Michigan, Minnesota, or even North Dakota would be paying their players.  Instead, we need someone with the initiative to set up an exchange where:

-Jeff Tellman pays Gaber to send out tweets every Friday night to promote Grinders after the Game

-Wes Rydell pays Kleven to star in a commercial promoting Rydell Chevrolet

-[current siouxsports.com user/business owner] pays [that recruit they’re really hoping UND gets] to promote their business.

Like the folks at Michigan, can anyone tell me what UND is trying to do to get ahead of the game in NIL?

When I say Minnesota's NIL I'm talking about the collective that a group started there. It isn't directly with the school no. Minnesota's is called Dinkytown Athletes and I think they have another but I can't remember the name. 

[Benny Baker]

Just now, SiouxScore said:

When I say Minnesota's NIL I'm talking about the collective that a group started there. It isn't directly with the school no. Minnesota's is called Dinkytown Athletes and I think they have another but I can't remember the name. 

Gotcha. Sounds like Minnesota has several NILs started then.

Can anyone name one of UND’s?

[SiouxScore]

10 minutes ago, KCSioux said:

I know for a fact 6 figure NIL deals were in play for college baseball players to portal to SEC schools last summer. If that is happening in that niche sport I’m sure it is going on or will start to happen for hockey. 

You are correct on the college baseball getting guys getting good $$$$ in the SEC especially at a place like LSU. However college baseball is not a niche sport in the south, in fact most of the SEC programs specifically can make money off college baseball. They are putting big money into their stadiums, facilities, and players and the fans show up down there.

[SiouxScore]

1 minute ago, Benny Baker said:

Gotcha. Sounds like Minnesota has several NILs started then.

Can anyone name one of UND’s?

Minnesota has 2 collectives. I know with the dinkytownathletes one it was just taking the initiative and getting it started. It isn't a group that has a lot of big money donors or anything they just sell memberships that people can pay monthly and will sometimes raffle off tickets or they will get a message from athletes and stuff like that as part of the membership. They just have it so members can pay at different levels per month.

Seems like something UND could do the biggest thing is just getting someone to take the initiative and organize it.

https://dinkytownathletes.com/about/

https://www.twincitiesnilclub.com/

[Benny Baker]

31 minutes ago, KCSioux said:

I know for a fact 6 figure NIL deals were in play for college baseball players to portal to SEC schools last summer. If that is happening in that niche sport I’m sure it is going on or will start to happen for hockey. 

Right. That’s where I fear NIL + transfer portal could screw UND. What’s to stop the exponentially larger Michigan grad/booster population from paying a Kawaguchi/Gaber/4-year type player $500k for “appearances” through an NIL contract to transfer to Michigan their last year(s) of college …

And yeah, $500k is the logical extreme, but Minnesota’s highest paid athlete in 2021 was a wrestler who made his through an appearance.  Each scholarship Texas Longhorn lineman gets $50k a year for appearances. So I see where this is headed.

It’s almost as if UND could leverage an Engelstad-type relationship to further it’s NIL prospects, but who knows.

[90siouxfan]

I was thinking a cool million....   but that is when I was holding lottery tickets with potential 2 billion pay out....  I like the idea of players marketing themselves in conjunction with businesses.  Much business savvy and experience to be gained.  But I worry how sports would be affected if say i put it out there, any blue chippas get 1 million cash each year they play here...  with a bigger payout for the persons that do all 4/5 years....  Fun to dream about having FU money...  even more fun to dream about F Y'all money.

[petey23]

As far as UND hockey players and NIL I know a few players(Kleven, Frisch, Caufield) were able to have Hockey Camps using their names last summer which they did not used to be able to do and a few of their teammates helped work them. I know Kleven is doing the RinK Live bit this year. 

 

Anyone know of any others?

[SiouxScore]

1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:

Right. That’s where I fear NIL + transfer portal could screw UND. What’s to stop the exponentially larger Michigan grad/booster population from paying a Kawaguchi/Gaber/4-year type player $500k for “appearances” through an NIL contract to transfer to Michigan their last year(s) of college …

And yeah, $500k is the logical extreme, but Minnesota’s highest paid athlete in 2021 was a wrestler who made his through an appearance.  Each scholarship Texas Longhorn lineman gets $50k a year for appearances. So I see where this is headed.

It’s almost as if UND could leverage an Engelstad-type relationship to further it’s NIL prospects, but who knows.

Minnesota's highest paid was Gable Steveson who had multiple NIL deals after winning an Olympic gold medal. He had a contract with WWE and has made appearances there, I'd imagine that was a big chunk of his money.

[mikejm]

Here's a Minnesota native playing wbb at UConn. The experts predict she'll eventually hit $1,000,000 in her NIL endorsement deals. 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/paige-bueckers-nil-deals-gatorade-stockx-uconn/lyhcowgnut3r28f9effqxrqt

And her deals are almost exclusively with entities, not a school-related NIL

[Blackheart]

6 hours ago, Benny Baker said:

Gotcha. Sounds like Minnesota has several NILs started then.

Can anyone name one of UND’s?

Grindaz?

[tnt]

18 hours ago, Benny Baker said:

 

The conversation was about NIL …

But yeah, to answer your question and to bring the conversation full circle back to where it started with Aiden Park and Michigan, last year’s Michigan team had the NCAA record for first round draft picks, not any BU team. 

My point was that if you are already getting top draft picks and not succeeding, NIL isn’t going to magically make you a better team, because college hockey has shown  that upperclassmen are a big part of the equation for success. 

[Siouxfancrazy92]

15 minutes ago, tnt said:

My point was that if you are already getting top draft picks and not succeeding, NIL isn’t going to magically make you a better team, because college hockey has shown  that upperclassmen are a big part of the equation for success. 

Sometimes u need to take your lumps and develop the players u recruit. Living through their mistakes early on than reaping the benefits in the end. Minn head coach said in his interview a few weeks ago that he has a lot of freshman this year but once they get past making their freshman mistakes they will be set for a really good team down the road.  

[Frozen4sioux]

9 hours ago, SiouxScore said:

I don't think NIL is near as big of factor in college hockey recruiting as a lot of people think. 

This is absolutely wrong. It is a very big deal.

8 hours ago, Benny Baker said:

What do you mean “Minnesota’s NIL”?  My understanding is that NILs need to be independent (at least financially) from the school.

The school cannot be involved in the NIL... however they are "not involved" in the same way CHL teams aren't allowed to pay players to bolt from college... or that Shaq wasn't cashing checks.

7 hours ago, Benny Baker said:

 

It’s almost as if UND could leverage an Engelstad-type relationship to further it’s NIL prospects, but who knows.

But bu bu but I thought everyone on here hated The Engelstads and that she's literally the devil.... or is that just the footyball forumn?

 

 

Another thing to remember that is a factor if this NIL stuff is competative marketing dollars.

i.e.  A company has so much of a marketing budget... who are the players competing with for those marketing dollars.... UND.... REA....

In small markets.... this is a big deal.

[brianvf]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hagens-and-eiserman-dazzle-as-unbeaten-usa-powers-to-world-u-17-gold

US team crushes the U17 Hockey Challenge, winning gold.
UMN recruit Eiserman and uncommitted James Hagens both dominate:

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Eiserman's 12 goals in seven games tied a longstanding U-17 record, set by Alex Ovechkin in 2001. Both Eiserman and his linemate James Hagens, who averaged three points a game and finished with a tournament-leading 21 points, also eclipsed the previous overall scoring record of 18 points, set in 2014 by Colin White.

You'd like to think that Berry and Co are in on Hagens, but judging how other commitments have gone recently, he'll probably end up at UMN, UM, or BC/BU.

[siouxforce19]

12 minutes ago, brianvf said:

https://thehockeynews.com/news/hagens-and-eiserman-dazzle-as-unbeaten-usa-powers-to-world-u-17-gold

US team crushes the U17 Hockey Challenge, winning gold.
UMN recruit Eiserman and uncommitted James Hagens both dominate:

You'd like to think that Berry and Co are in on Hagens, but judging how other commitments have gone recently, he'll probably end up at UMN, UM, or BC/BU.

I’m betting Harvard. 

[brianvf]

13 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said:

I’m betting Harvard. 

Yeah I saw his older brother is committed there.

[nodakvindy]

On 11/12/2022 at 4:16 PM, mikejm said:

Here's a Minnesota native playing wbb at UConn. The experts predict she'll eventually hit $1,000,000 in her NIL endorsement deals. 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/paige-bueckers-nil-deals-gatorade-stockx-uconn/lyhcowgnut3r28f9effqxrqt

And her deals are almost exclusively with entities, not a school-related NIL

She's arguably the biggest atr in the apirt so $1 million isn't a huge surprise. 

Female athletes will likely be the biggest individual NIL winners because the money is there in the fashion and cosmetics industry. However factors other that performance will come Into play (think Anna Kournikova) and that could have some interesting dynamics within teams. 

I think you'll soon see additional legislation putting limits on how much athlete-students earn, especially when the tax bills hit and you see a spate of bankruptcies. 

The pendulum will swing back somehow. 

[The Sicatoka]

On 11/12/2022 at 4:16 PM, mikejm said:

Here's a Minnesota native playing wbb at UConn. The experts predict she'll eventually hit $1,000,000 in her NIL endorsement deals. 

Piker.

I'll see your $1M and raise you $1M. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-11419121/Paige-Spiranac-sick-criticism-LSU-gymnast-Olivia-Dunne-slams-belittling-women.html 

[scpa0305]

Hopefully mac Swanson is someone we’re watching 

[tnt]

7 hours ago, scpa0305 said:

Hopefully mac Swanson is someone we’re watching 

We beat his dad’s CC team in the semi finals in our 1997 title run with Jason Blake as a key player. Would be nice if Jackson Blake would team up with Mac Swanson down the road for another NCAA title. 

[CarpeRemote]

13 hours ago, nodakvindy said:

 

I think you'll soon see additional legislation putting limits on how much athlete-students earn, especially when the tax bills hit and you see a spate of bankruptcies. 

The pendulum will swing back somehow. 

Additional legislation? What legislation has put limits on NIL? It’s already been to the Supreme Court. 

The US Supreme Court in a 9-0 decision declared the NCAA’s rules were a form of price fixing and a violation of labor laws and said the NCAAs attempts to limit compensation would be illegal in any other industry. 
 

Judge Kavanaugh “Nowhere else in America can businesses get away with agreeing not to pay their workers a fair market rate on the theory that their product is defined by not paying their workers a fair market rate. … The NCAA is not above the law.”

[CarpeRemote]

On 11/12/2022 at 10:24 AM, SiouxScore said:

I don't think NIL is near as big of factor in college hockey recruiting as a lot of people think. The NIL focus is going to football and basketball primarily from boosters. At a place like Minnesota it finds it way to some hockey but I know Minnesota's NIL is still kind of getting its feet wet and not real solid yet. The top guys that are hyped coming in like a Cooley, Eichel, or thinking back to a guy like Toews or Kessel are probably getting NIL deals from hockey companies no matter where they go. If you think boosters at Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Arizona State, etc. are focused on getting their money to hockey recruits you'd be disappointed to find out where hockey is on their priority list.

The focus may be largely on football but I’m not sure people understand the type of money these schools bring in. The athletic program at Ohio State took in $48,000,000 in donations in 2020—a Covid year. That’s separate from nil  

the point being, yes, nil is finding its way to hockey  

BUT, because the bigs focus on football etc, a hockey centric NIL at UND would be a blockbuster in college hockey. When someone with proven business acumen puts one together with a solid Board, the fans will fund it better than any other in college. That’s not saying every sport has its own opportunity  

this is an example: the Shottensteins own Value City Furniture. they’ve put this collective together for fans to fund

https://www.thefoundationohio.com/about/

 

[cberkas]

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