2024 Recruiting

[Kab]

Look in the mirror 

[Siouxperman8]

16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

With firings (and subsequent hires) then maybe recruiting and/or future seasons would be worth talking about. 

Then please start a ‘Fire Everyone after 2024’ topic and stop soiling this one. 

[homer]

9 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Then please start a ‘Fire Everyone after 2024’ topic and stop soiling this one. 

Agree with this so much.   

[ND-fan]

I am so tired of same people or should I say same posters demanding a coaching change on this site. The fact is as it stands now the Administration and majority of people are not in line for changing of the coaching staff. Yes, we all want us to do better but I think majority of you wanting this change have underlining reasons for change and i think it's how this coaching staff process goes about improving this program. I still think large number people think all we have to do change coaches and were going to win it all surpass NDSU to the South. The fact is they have huge advantage over UND in football in that Fargo supports this program with more money than we do because it's their school number one sport. We have football but it's not our number one sport and that is Hockey and look at our budget for hockey program at one time NDSU wanted to be with UND on hockey and gave up on that went full out to football. This plays into our football program we have less resources and after Fargo's forum communication took over Herald and closed down our local tv station media is controlled by Fargo and very little exposure goes out on UND football to greater region. This plays into our recruiting it takes time and building relationships high school coaches and getting presence to get kids because there is very little media heard about UND football. Then you add in our location how not only NDSU uses that against us but also other Dakota schools telling potential recruits how winters and cold last forever and we had year like last year it just reinforces what they are saying. I look at SDSU they took years to get to where they are at, and they stayed with their coach to finally build the program up to what they have now.  The conferences we have played in by far best conferences in FCS and if don't win one top conference spot gives you probably one tougher opening games of playoffs and usually opponent from Big Sky and similar team to you. These last two years have shown our defenses have not been up to playoff caliber and needs to be fixed and has been said by our coaching staff. We all talk we just need to go to the portal and get players we need but I don't think anyone of us here has any idea what it takes to get the type of player we need. From what i have been reading it takes NIL money, Media attention, right fit academically, and then place the recruit wants to come too.  This gets me to instead of some people spending great deal of blowing on changing coaching staffs maybe should be looking how they can help give these coaches put more things in their bag of recruitment resources to get players we need and also retain players we need to step from 15 to 9 team in FCS to top 3 or 4. This is how I feel quit wasting this site on something is going nowhere for the present and do something to advance this program to compete with the teams above us no matter who is leading this team.  

[SiouxFan100]

Propose a Christmas cease fire

Merry Christmas everyone!!

[fightingsioux4life]

42 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Propose a Christmas cease fire

Merry Christmas everyone!!

Agreed. I will refrain from commenting on this topic until Wednesday. Merry Christmas everyone (even my detractors).

[MoSiouxFan]

Merry Christmas everyone!!!  (Luke 2:1-20).

[Sioux>Bison]

I hope Santa left coal in UND Football Fan, Siouxfan97, Good Good, and HoopsFan03’s stockings……..

Merry Christmas ya filthy animals 

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 12/24/2023 at 4:11 PM, ND-fan said:

I am so tired of same people or should I say same posters demanding a coaching change on this site. The fact is as it stands now the Administration and majority of people are not in line for changing of the coaching staff. Yes, we all want us to do better but I think majority of you wanting this change have underlining reasons for change and i think it's how this coaching staff process goes about improving this program. I still think large number people think all we have to do change coaches and were going to win it all surpass NDSU to the South. The fact is they have huge advantage over UND in football in that Fargo supports this program with more money than we do because it's their school number one sport. We have football but it's not our number one sport and that is Hockey and look at our budget for hockey program at one time NDSU wanted to be with UND on hockey and gave up on that went full out to football. This plays into our football program we have less resources and after Fargo's forum communication took over Herald and closed down our local tv station media is controlled by Fargo and very little exposure goes out on UND football to greater region. This plays into our recruiting it takes time and building relationships high school coaches and getting presence to get kids because there is very little media heard about UND football. Then you add in our location how not only NDSU uses that against us but also other Dakota schools telling potential recruits how winters and cold last forever and we had year like last year it just reinforces what they are saying. I look at SDSU they took years to get to where they are at, and they stayed with their coach to finally build the program up to what they have now.  The conferences we have played in by far best conferences in FCS and if don't win one top conference spot gives you probably one tougher opening games of playoffs and usually opponent from Big Sky and similar team to you. These last two years have shown our defenses have not been up to playoff caliber and needs to be fixed and has been said by our coaching staff. We all talk we just need to go to the portal and get players we need but I don't think anyone of us here has any idea what it takes to get the type of player we need. From what i have been reading it takes NIL money, Media attention, right fit academically, and then place the recruit wants to come too.  This gets me to instead of some people spending great deal of blowing on changing coaching staffs maybe should be looking how they can help give these coaches put more things in their bag of recruitment resources to get players we need and also retain players we need to step from 15 to 9 team in FCS to top 3 or 4. This is how I feel quit wasting this site on something is going nowhere for the present and do something to advance this program to compete with the teams above us no matter who is leading this team.  

Fargo’s investment in football has paid off and will continue to pay off. UND’s uninspired maintenance of the status quo is not working, relatively speaking. Football is more popular than hockey. Hockey does allow for some differentiation for UND and Grand Forks, but it’s most certainly not enough by itself. Fargo has a monopoly on communications like you said, with Grand Forks having no voice. It will be hard for UND to bounce back unless they look to be aggressive in areas where Fargo holds an advantage (from a collegiate athletics standpoint, that’s football and basketball for starters). Maintaining just hockey is going to leave GF/UND at the status quo, which means Fargo (including NDSU athletics) ascending at a rate well beyond that of Grand Forks and UND athletics. But, well, there’s always hockey …

The culture of constantly criticizing those with big ideas and novel plans is a dangerous one, and it typically always leaves those in that culture well behind in the end. Example: see division I approach back in early 2000s

As for coaching staff and 2024 recruiting, more resources would certainly be nice. In essence, my point is that there does need to be more resources for UND football to grow, so I agree with you on that. But transitioning to different coaches is just the reality of change and progression in college athletics. UND will need to do this, sooner rather than later, to take the next step. Sorry if that hurts some of your feelings due to personal relationships.

I digress. On to 2024 recruiting. 2024 very likely is going to be a rough season. Hope I’m wrong.

[CMSioux]

12 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

I hope Santa left coal in UND Football Fan, Siouxfan97, Good Good, and HoopsFan03’s stockings……..

Merry Christmas ya filthy animals 

If he could it would only take one piece of coal.

[Sioux27]

I'm ready to be done with SiouxSports.com.   Same old bull$%!# by the same few.  I think I'm going to post of few things until I finally get banned.  At least then a bar will be set for this antagonistic circus.  

 

[Sioux27]

On 12/24/2023 at 2:26 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

With firings (and subsequent hires) then maybe recruiting and/or future seasons would be worth talking about. 

I wish your sorry ass would get fired from this board so we could actually talk.

[skateshattrick]

On 12/26/2023 at 5:59 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Fargo’s investment in football has paid off and will continue to pay off. UND’s uninspired maintenance of the status quo is not working, relatively speaking. Football is more popular than hockey. Hockey does allow for some differentiation for UND and Grand Forks, but it’s most certainly not enough by itself. Fargo has a monopoly on communications like you said, with Grand Forks having no voice. It will be hard for UND to bounce back unless they look to be aggressive in areas where Fargo holds an advantage (from a collegiate athletics standpoint, that’s football and basketball for starters). Maintaining just hockey is going to leave GF/UND at the status quo, which means Fargo (including NDSU athletics) ascending at a rate well beyond that of Grand Forks and UND athletics. But, well, there’s always hockey …

The culture of constantly criticizing those with big ideas and novel plans is a dangerous one, and it typically always leaves those in that culture well behind in the end. Example: see division I approach back in early 2000s

As for coaching staff and 2024 recruiting, more resources would certainly be nice. In essence, my point is that there does need to be more resources for UND football to grow, so I agree with you on that. But transitioning to different coaches is just the reality of change and progression in college athletics. UND will need to do this, sooner rather than later, to take the next step. Sorry if that hurts some of your feelings due to personal relationships.

I digress. On to 2024 recruiting. 2024 very likely is going to be a rough season. Hope I’m wrong.

You always start with the false narrative that "football is more popular than hockey". FBS football in the P5 conferences ONLY may be more popular than hockey, but FCS football is not anywhere close to being more popular than D1 hockey. UND is in the black in one sport and that is hockey. UND makes more from hockey than NDSU makes from football, and NDSU has dominated FCS football for over a decade. Keep telling yourself otherwise. 

[McBuckets]

46 minutes ago, Sioux27 said:

I'm ready to be done with SiouxSports.com.   Same old bull$%!# by the same few.  I think I'm going to post of few things until I finally get banned.  At least then a bar will be set for this antagonistic circus.  

 

Best of luck in your future endeavors 

[Sioux27]

1 minute ago, McBuckets said:

Best of luck in your future endeavors 

Good one!!

 

[nodak651]

On 12/26/2023 at 5:59 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Fargo’s investment in football has paid off and will continue to pay off. UND’s uninspired maintenance of the status quo is not working, relatively speaking. Football is more popular than hockey. Hockey does allow for some differentiation for UND and Grand Forks, but it’s most certainly not enough by itself. Fargo has a monopoly on communications like you said, with Grand Forks having no voice. It will be hard for UND to bounce back unless they look to be aggressive in areas where Fargo holds an advantage (from a collegiate athletics standpoint, that’s football and basketball for starters). Maintaining just hockey is going to leave GF/UND at the status quo, which means Fargo (including NDSU athletics) ascending at a rate well beyond that of Grand Forks and UND athletics. But, well, there’s always hockey …

The culture of constantly criticizing those with big ideas and novel plans is a dangerous one, and it typically always leaves those in that culture well behind in the end. Example: see division I approach back in early 2000s

As for coaching staff and 2024 recruiting, more resources would certainly be nice. In essence, my point is that there does need to be more resources for UND football to grow, so I agree with you on that. But transitioning to different coaches is just the reality of change and progression in college athletics. UND will need to do this, sooner rather than later, to take the next step. Sorry if that hurts some of your feelings due to personal relationships.

I digress. On to 2024 recruiting. 2024 very likely is going to be a rough season. Hope I’m wrong.

Problem is you post about this stuff in the wrong threads.  Creeps into every discussion.  There's nothing wrong with this post other than its in a thread titled "2024 Recruiting".  See the problem and why people may have an issue with you?  If you think discussion about 2024 is pointless that doesn't give you the right to ruin the thread for others.

[F'n Hawks]

1 hour ago, skateshattrick said:

You always start with the false narrative that "football is more popular than hockey". FBS football in the P5 conferences ONLY may be more popular than hockey, but FCS football is not anywhere close to being more popular than D1 hockey. UND is in the black in one sport and that is hockey. UND makes more from hockey than NDSU makes from football, and NDSU has dominated FCS football for over a decade. Keep telling yourself otherwise. 

FCS football is definitely close isn’t it? Maybe I’m wrong?

[SIOUXFAN97]

isnt there an ignore or mute thingy so u dont see a posters posts?

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, skateshattrick said:

You always start with the false narrative that "football is more popular than hockey". FBS football in the P5 conferences ONLY may be more popular than hockey, but FCS football is not anywhere close to being more popular than D1 hockey. UND is in the black in one sport and that is hockey. UND makes more from hockey than NDSU makes from football, and NDSU has dominated FCS football for over a decade. Keep telling yourself otherwise. 

Football is more popular than hockey. FCS football is definitely similar in popularity to the entirety of collegiate hockey. Period. FCS football is still football. Doesn’t matter if pee wee, high school, college or pros. It is what it is. Profits are going to be hard to come by with collegiate athletics anywhere in North Dakota - not enough people. Hard to argue with delusionists. Can spin it anyway you want to fit your narrative. I’ll stick with the realists.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

Problem is you post about this stuff in the wrong threads.  Creeps into every discussion.  There's nothing wrong with this post other than its in a thread titled "2024 Recruiting".  See the problem and why people may have an issue with you?  If you think discussion about 2024 is pointless that doesn't give you the right to ruin the thread for others.

I agree. Just needed to finish my responses. The distractions and arguments are largely a byproduct of what UND athletic leadership and football has done to itself. We all want to see UND football win, but yet, here we are. Don’t worry; I’m done posting in this thread unless it’s strictly about recruiting.

[NDRA]

14 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Football is more popular than hockey. FCS football is definitely similar in popularity to the entirety of collegiate hockey. Period. FCS football is still football. Doesn’t matter if pee wee, high school, college or pros. It is what it is. Profits are going to be hard to come by with collegiate athletics anywhere in North Dakota - not enough people. Hard to argue with delusionists. Can spin it anyway you want to fit your narrative. I’ll stick with the realists.

Pretty easy to figure out.  What are the TV viewer numbers for the FCS championship vs NCAA Hockey Championship game.  I'm sure someone knows how to look it up.  Edit.  Just went and looked it up.  FCS championship game generally has anywhere from 250,000 to 400,000 more viewers.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, skateshattrick said:

You always start with the false narrative that "football is more popular than hockey". FBS football in the P5 conferences ONLY may be more popular than hockey, but FCS football is not anywhere close to being more popular than D1 hockey. UND is in the black in one sport and that is hockey. UND makes more from hockey than NDSU makes from football, and NDSU has dominated FCS football for over a decade. Keep telling yourself otherwise. 

Not anywhere close? You sure about that? Membership on its face would indicate that FCS football is infinitely more popular and less of a cold regional niche sport. Subtract all FBS schools from D1 hockey membership and what are you left with? I’d guess not anywhere near the 100+ FCS currently has. 
 

Its 128 vs 50 in case you were wondering. And that’s including all the D2 and D3 schools that play D1 hockey. Very impressive! Much popularity. Such wow!

[SiouxFan100]

Round and round we go

 

[90siouxfan]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

isnt there an ignore or mute thingy so u dont see a posters posts?

i've tried that, just makes the threads a jumbled mess as the responses are still there...  I've never been a big football fan, but wanted to become one for UND.  I contemplate whether the angst from all the negativity outweighs the rest. 

[LDL]

Would be nice if this thread could be limited to players arriving/departing.  All the other stuff could go to a separate thread.