UND @ NDSU 11/19/2022

[The Sicatoka]

8 minutes ago, SlowHand said:

Good riddance IMO.  He is cancer.

Still, it's quite the finger in the NDSU eye by Sproles. 

[Bison06]

18 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

If he can play at JMU I will lose what little respect I have left for the Sun Belt

Agreed, amazed they would offer him based on what I saw in his time at NDSU. Fine, serviceable player, but not a real game breaker in my view. 

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Go back to the beginning. You guys always make it about Kramer being such a hardo. 

I've never said anything about him being a hardo.  At least that I can recall.

[nd1sufan]

4 hours ago, wheelsup said:

I believe all schools will deal with as well.. to me the timing is a bit odd.  This year NDSU has had 4 players hit the portal before the season is over.. all four of them were considered to be reasonably decent and even key contributors (Sigel, Hart, Gonnella, Sproles).. My assumption is that none of them were kicked out the door but rather chose to leave.. and did not see the value in sticking with the program through the playoffs.  If they were bad apples and you guys were happy to get rid of them then I get it.. my sense is that this was not the case.  If these guys hit the transfer portal after the playoffs I would have a different opinion.  The worst excuse is that football is suddenly too hard for these young men..

If you cant acknowledge that the timing is odd or that they were all bad apples that the team is better off without.. you should acknowledge that there might be some internal issues with the program. 

The timing is if these kids want to keep playing CFB, opening their recruitment before signing day in December makes sense. These kids need to have open scholarship money to land somewhere. These kids are not like Jabril Cox that can pick their school and a school will create a scholarship for them. If they don’t get their name out there now they may end up without a home for next year.

[bison73]

17 hours ago, UND1983 said:

It is illegal for NDSU to spend more time with their players than allowed. Kramer is not the reason why players keep transferring lately. Take off the Bison PJs and think.

Kramers face time is a fact. Why you had to mention a rule is meaningless. Who was talking about players transferring?

 

Great deflection when you get caught making a false statement.

[bison73]

8 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

The timing is if these kids want to keep playing CFB, opening their recruitment before signing day in December makes sense. These kids need to have open scholarship money to land somewhere. These kids are not like Jabril Cox that can pick their school and a school will create a scholarship for them. If they don’t get their name out there now they may end up without a home for next year.

Correct the time frame to enter such especially since its playoff time. ut it is what it is.

[bison73]

19 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

So you are implying NCAA violations?

Nope . Why would there be a violation? The coaches have been quoted saying the same. The players have also said so. So why do you automatically

Have to conjoure up BS?

[bison73]

9 hours ago, Bison06 said:

Agreed, amazed they would offer him based on what I saw in his time at NDSU. Fine, serviceable player, but not a real game breaker in my view. 

They may not of offered him anything more than a walkon and if you do well theres a scholly waiting for you.  I cant imagine them offering anything more that that.

[wheelsup]

14 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

The timing is if these kids want to keep playing CFB, opening their recruitment before signing day in December makes sense. These kids need to have open scholarship money to land somewhere. These kids are not like Jabril Cox that can pick their school and a school will create a scholarship for them. If they don’t get their name out there now they may end up without a home for next year.

So to me your starting statement is the questionable part.. Sigel and Hart were already playing a lot of CFB.. I think they were both starters on your team and key players (I could be wrong).. Gonnella.. he was a key player before he got injured and the Bison are good at RB so maybe he has a better chance somewhere else..  Sproles.. well his social media presence seemed to be bigger than his play on the field so maybe not that much of a loss.

The two I would really question are Sigel and Hart.. as you said.. neither are like Jabril Cox so they arent going to some huge school.. they are already playing/starting at a program that gets NFL looks.. so as I said the timing is odd.  If these kids were backups or maybe it will come out that they want to go to a school with a different academic program or something.. in any of those cases I would totally understand.  If you cant at least question why two key starters would leave the team, to play football for a different program, during the playoffs...... seems odd to me.

WE had a starter do that to us a couple of years ago and there was plenty of questions thrown around.

[UND1983]

7 hours ago, bison73 said:

Kramers face time is a fact. Why you had to mention a rule is meaningless. Who was talking about players transferring?

 

Great deflection when you get caught making a false statement.

Can you follow the conversation?  No idea what you are even talking about

[UND1983]

On 11/20/2022 at 8:56 PM, nd1sufan said:

other than their season has lasted 6 weeks longer than 90% of the other FCS schools for the entirety of the kids careers you may be right. And they all talk about how tough and demanding Kramer can be. Most  kids can take it and really like Kramer.  There are some that feel it is too much.

Bison73....this is what I was responding to.

Kramer is 0% of the reason these kids are leaving.  

[nd1sufan]

1 hour ago, wheelsup said:

So to me your starting statement is the questionable part.. Sigel and Hart were already playing a lot of CFB.. I think they were both starters on your team and key players (I could be wrong).. Gonnella.. he was a key player before he got injured and the Bison are good at RB so maybe he has a better chance somewhere else..  Sproles.. well his social media presence seemed to be bigger than his play on the field so maybe not that much of a loss.

The two I would really question are Sigel and Hart.. as you said.. neither are like Jabril Cox so they arent going to some huge school.. they are already playing/starting at a program that gets NFL looks.. so as I said the timing is odd.  If these kids were backups or maybe it will come out that they want to go to a school with a different academic program or something.. in any of those cases I would totally understand.  If you cant at least question why two key starters would leave the team, to play football for a different program, during the playoffs...... seems odd to me.

WE had a starter do that to us a couple of years ago and there was plenty of questions thrown around.

Sigle is the one that is somewhat bothersome. But not every kid is a good fit for a program. That may be the case with him. Hart played about the same amount as 5 or 6 WR’s, most are pretty equal. Tbh, when you are spreading out 10 catches among 6 or 7 pass catchers, I am not sure how NDSU keeps any good WR’s. The fact that they got and kept Watson for 5 years is pretty incredible. Gonella is honestly maybe the 5th best back in that room. If he wants to get carries he has to move on. 3 of the kids are from Florida or Georgia. I would be surprised if they don’t end up somewhere closer to home. The South to ND is a bit of a change.

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, wheelsup said:

So to me your starting statement is the questionable part.. Sigel and Hart were already playing a lot of CFB.. I think they were both starters on your team and key players (I could be wrong).. Gonnella.. he was a key player before he got injured and the Bison are good at RB so maybe he has a better chance somewhere else..  Sproles.. well his social media presence seemed to be bigger than his play on the field so maybe not that much of a loss.

The two I would really question are Sigel and Hart.. as you said.. neither are like Jabril Cox so they arent going to some huge school.. they are already playing/starting at a program that gets NFL looks.. so as I said the timing is odd.  If these kids were backups or maybe it will come out that they want to go to a school with a different academic program or something.. in any of those cases I would totally understand.  If you cant at least question why two key starters would leave the team, to play football for a different program, during the playoffs...... seems odd to me.

WE had a starter do that to us a couple of years ago and there was plenty of questions thrown around.

Kids might be thinking if they are good enough to play regularly at NDSU, they should have no problem getting playing time somewhere closer to home, warmer, etc.  Seems as likely as any other reason lol

[wheelsup]

29 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Sigle is the one that is somewhat bothersome. But not every kid is a good fit for a program. That may be the case with him. Hart played about the same amount as 5 or 6 WR’s, most are pretty equal. Tbh, when you are spreading out 10 catches among 6 or 7 pass catchers, I am not sure how NDSU keeps any good WR’s. The fact that they got and kept Watson for 5 years is pretty incredible. Gonella is honestly maybe the 5th best back in that room. If he wants to get carries he has to move on. 3 of the kids are from Florida or Georgia. I would be surprised if they don’t end up somewhere closer to home. The South to ND is a bit of a change.

Im also amazed that the bison can keep any WR's.. just not enough catches to go around.

I will say overall I like the transfer portal.. It helps out kids that dont fit into a system, are locked into the bottom of the depth chart (ex: hoosman) or for some reason just dont mesh with coaching staff and it also adds another level of excitement to college football as to if you are going to be able to keep your players or not.

I always hope that kids have a decent support system and arent listening to some instant gratification bozo.. as the grass isnt always greener... but sometimes it is (ex: hoosman) .  I also do think its a leading indicator of potential problems in your program.. when starters are leaving before the season is over there is at least a question in my mind.  It will be interesting to see where they end up if anywhere.

[bison73]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Can you follow the conversation?  No idea what you are even talking about

You are correct. I misinterpreted your fist post on this.  I stand corrected.

[bison73]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Bison73....this is what I was responding to.

Kramer is 0% of the reason these kids are leaving.  

You are correct. My fault.

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, wheelsup said:

Im also amazed that the bison can keep any WR's.. just not enough catches to go around.

I will say overall I like the transfer portal.. It helps out kids that dont fit into a system, are locked into the bottom of the depth chart (ex: hoosman) or for some reason just dont mesh with coaching staff and it also adds another level of excitement to college football as to if you are going to be able to keep your players or not.

I always hope that kids have a decent support system and arent listening to some instant gratification bozo.. as the grass isnt always greener... but sometimes it is (ex: hoosman) .  I also do think its a leading indicator of potential problems in your program.. when starters are leaving before the season is over there is at least a question in my mind.  It will be interesting to see where they end up if anywhere.

Good comments. The only thing I would like to see is that the school accepting the player reimburse the school that the player leaves the amount of the scholarship the kid had. Kids without scholarships or smaller scholarships wouldn’t be penalized. It recognizes the investment in these athletes by their first school even though the cost to first school is more than just the scholarship. It also decreases the chance a kid transfers somewhere else where he or she won’t likely play. Grad transfers would be an exception. 

[SiouxFan100]

Did we ever put two of our nose guards in at the same time in this game?

[Sioux94]

Did a real quick run through of the replay.  Man was it a complete sh*t show to start the game.  

2nd play of game, Schuster runs into the sack...he could have tucked it up and ran a few yards or had time to throw to Bo who was open and crossing

3rd play of game, Schuster scrambles out to the right and buys time and does what he normally does....but under throws it slightly and is incomplete instead of 1st down.  

On our 2nd series when in SU territory NDSU DB F's with Maag after the play right in front of official and 99% of the time it's a personal foul but they decide to pull the flag

NDSU 2nd series they have a long pass that is well defended and the ball bounces of helmet and their other WR catches it...for about a 50 yard pass play

NDSU's second series they are 3rd and goal from about the 6....Cam keeps it and Pedigo is in perfect position to tackle him way short of end zone and completely whiffs

 We are in NDSU territory and reliable Hoosman, has the wrong play and knocks the ball out of Tommy's hand...when Red was open on the left flag for probably a 5 yard or maybe more gain. 

NDSU's 3rd drive.....have 3rd and 9 from the 15 yard line.....we hold them but hand to the face gives them a first down and Cam takes it in on the next play from the 7. 

All of that occurs and there is still 13 minutes left in 2nd quarter and SU is up 21-0

 

On the bright side, the OL seemed to play fairly well.  We had a handful of runs up the middle that gained 5-10 yards. 

Tommy ran at least 3 designed QB draws.....not sure we've really seen that before.  Not sure if it is something specifically Danny saw in their defense or what.

Buckner seemed to have decent speed in chasing down a RB on a long run, I wouldn't say he seemed slow. 

P.S. sorry for bringing up bad memories...but had to go back and watch anyway. 

[shep]

The Maag play was utter BS. The flag was thrown and then picked up.

WTH

[UND-FB-FAN]

Heavy favoritism by officials and even selection committees. Very curious decision making for Ag U…

 

During the game, even the NDSU fans were joking how the game was only stopped for review if it was a play that went against NDSU, not UND.

 

Perhaps just coincidence, but I prefer to promote conspiracy…

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, shep said:

The Maag play was utter BS. The flag was thrown and then picked up.

WTH

Official announced no penalty- players were just un-piling from the tackle.

didn’t have the guts to make the correct call. 

[Bison06]

22 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Official announced no penalty- players were just un-piling from the tackle.

didn’t have the guts to make the correct call. 

Do you have video? I don’t remember this one specifically.

[geaux_sioux]

30 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Do you have video? I don’t remember this one specifically.

It was nothing. Maag was being soft. NDSU guy gave him a little message after the play, knocked the much larger Maag over. 
 

I saw it as a microcosm of why we got our asses kicked. We soft, they mean.

[jdub27]

5 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

It was nothing. Maag was being soft. NDSU guy gave him a little message after the play, knocked the much larger Maag over. 
 

I saw it as a microcosm of why we got our asses kicked. We soft, they mean.

Eh I disagree with the first part but agree with the second part.

That usually gets called and there was at least one flag thrown on it. That being said, if they would have called the one later where NDSU's left tackle looked like he was in some sort of acting class, reacting like a sniper took him out, after getting bumped into after a play, I probably would have a stronger opinion.