iramurphy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Wilbur said: Literally, exactly what will happen. And as long as Lowell is around it wouldn't surprise me if 5-6 got him another season. Not sure that is called for. Lowell doesn’t make the decisions. I’m sure he wants what’s best for the program. It’s natural for him, just like a lot of others, to believe these guys can be successful. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowHand Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I am not here to rub salt in any wounds so lets not go there. I am really not sure how UND gets the train back on the rails or even where to start. Its tough enough recruiting football talent with NDSU an hour away. UND seems to recruit decent players, but they dont seem to improve/develop them. I am not sure how many people here understand the value Jim Kramer brings to the NDSU program. He is a huge part of their success and UND would do well to find out whats going on with their S&C program. Bubba is a likable guy, but I think its time for a change. I think you guys need a new HC, DC and OC. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild from scratch. I am not sure financially if that is doable or what funds are available. I think its going to take a big change to restart the football program. With the new MVFC schedule maybe the shorter travel will free up a few bucks. Someone mentioned dropping football. This may not be as crazy as some think, although I am sure it would burn for a while. If UND were able to redirect all of the football funds to the hockey program I think it would put UND in the very best possible position to absolutely dominate in hockey. Overall, that may be best for the university in the long run. In either case, I hope something positive happens to get things going in the right direction again. Flame on.... 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UND1983 Posted October 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, SlowHand said: I am not here to rub salt in any wounds so lets not go there. I am really not sure how UND gets the train back on the rails or even where to start. Its tough enough recruiting football talent with NDSU an hour away. UND seems to recruit decent players, but they dont seem to improve/develop them. I am not sure how many people here understand the value Jim Kramer brings to the NDSU program. He is a huge part of their success and UND would do well to find out whats going on with their S&C program. Bubba is a likable guy, but I think its time for a change. I think you guys need a new HC, DC and OC. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild from scratch. I am not sure financially if that is doable or what funds are available. I think its going to take a big change to restart the football program. With the new MVFC schedule maybe the shorter travel will free up a few bucks. Someone mentioned dropping football. This may not be as crazy as some think, although I am sure it would burn for a while. If UND were able to redirect all of the football funds to the hockey program I think it would put UND in the very best possible position to absolutely dominate in hockey. Overall, that may be best for the university in the long run. In either case, I hope something positive happens to get things going in the right direction again. Flame on.... We appreciate that, now go get bent. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, SlowHand said: I am not here to rub salt in any wounds so lets not go there. I am really not sure how UND gets the train back on the rails or even where to start. Its tough enough recruiting football talent with NDSU an hour away. UND seems to recruit decent players, but they dont seem to improve/develop them. I am not sure how many people here understand the value Jim Kramer brings to the NDSU program. He is a huge part of their success and UND would do well to find out whats going on with their S&C program. Bubba is a likable guy, but I think its time for a change. I think you guys need a new HC, DC and OC. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild from scratch. I am not sure financially if that is doable or what funds are available. I think its going to take a big change to restart the football program. With the new MVFC schedule maybe the shorter travel will free up a few bucks. Someone mentioned dropping football. This may not be as crazy as some think, although I am sure it would burn for a while. If UND were able to redirect all of the football funds to the hockey program I think it would put UND in the very best possible position to absolutely dominate in hockey. Overall, that may be best for the university in the long run. In either case, I hope something positive happens to get things going in the right direction again. Flame on.... I don’t think more funds for hockey would make much of a change in competitive balance with how many great hockey players are available for recruitment now. You just have to be able to project players better into the future, and more money isn’t going to change that. All the big programs with money aren’t dominating anymore. Put the money into football and find someone to steer the ship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, Old Fella said: Interesting. Please cite source. I don’t think there is any reason to bring him in to this. He is an alumnus and booster with no more or less influence than other boosters. That is how it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fella Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, iramurphy said: I don’t think there is any reason to bring him in to this. He is an alumnus and booster with no more or less influence than other boosters. That is how it should be. My bad/thought he was president of the boosters and as he has the same last name as Buuba thought they might be related, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UNDBIZ Posted October 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, SlowHand said: I am not here to rub salt in any wounds so lets not go there. I am really not sure how UND gets the train back on the rails or even where to start. Its tough enough recruiting football talent with NDSU an hour away. UND seems to recruit decent players, but they dont seem to improve/develop them. I am not sure how many people here understand the value Jim Kramer brings to the NDSU program. He is a huge part of their success and UND would do well to find out whats going on with their S&C program. Bubba is a likable guy, but I think its time for a change. I think you guys need a new HC, DC and OC. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild from scratch. I am not sure financially if that is doable or what funds are available. I think its going to take a big change to restart the football program. With the new MVFC schedule maybe the shorter travel will free up a few bucks. Someone mentioned dropping football. This may not be as crazy as some think, although I am sure it would burn for a while. If UND were able to redirect all of the football funds to the hockey program I think it would put UND in the very best possible position to absolutely dominate in hockey. Overall, that may be best for the university in the long run. In either case, I hope something positive happens to get things going in the right direction again. Flame on.... Not here to rub salt, but you should just drop football? GFY 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meat man 01 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 How about all new couches UND will never be a winning team with what we have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, Meat man 01 said: How about all new couches UND will never be a winning team with what we have News couches will fix it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Old Fella said: My bad/thought he was president of the boosters and as he has the same last name as Buuba thought they might be related, He is/was and they are related. Its natural he will support this staff. It won’t make a difference as far as the decision to make a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fella Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, iramurphy said: He is/was and they are related. Its natural he will support this staff. It won’t make a difference as far as the decision to make a change. OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not advocating dropping football, but it does make me go hmmm when one considers that "mid level" universities have better success by focusing on a single sport. Discuss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Not to encourage Slowbrain, but focus on S&C seems like one distinct avenue of improvement that needs to be addressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, 90siouxfan said: Not advocating dropping football, but it does make me go hmmm when one considers that "mid level" universities have better success by focusing on a single sport. Discuss Not sure what you are getting at here. No reason whatsoever UND can't have a dynamic sports program across the board. Just needs to be funded and a priority starting at the top. If UND want to be well-known in ND, MN , and MA focus on only hockey. Outside of those states, hockey is a back burner sport at best. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Not advocating dropping football, but it does make me go hmmm when one considers that "mid level" universities have better success by focusing on a single sport. Discuss No 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, 90siouxfan said: Not to encourage Slowbrain, but focus on S&C seems like one distinct avenue of improvement that needs to be addressed. And the way UND seems to move on Football related issues (Rudy for example) in 5-10 years we'll get right on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsowe Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I think we have a bigger problem than Bubba 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, johnsowe said: I think we have a bigger problem than Bubba ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, johnsowe said: I think we have a bigger problem than Bubba Expound please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Glaring Issues that I see: 1. Strength and conditioning. 2. Recruiting. 3. Specialists. 4. Offensive line. 5. Penalties/discipline. The list gets longer. But that's what concerns me the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Parkers Pros said: Seriously you’d think that the world was ending or something. Everyone take your meds and it’ll be alright. It was a bad day. Bad day. Perhaps our expectations vs investment are not realistic. We don’t have the credibility of NDSU, the facility’s of SDSU, we are located in one of the flattest desolate football locations in the country in a town where the only thing people really care about is Hockey. Not an easy sell. I don’t disagree that there is blame, but if you have ever coached, you can prepare, motivate, push all you want, the bottom line is these are young men and they need to execute. The coaches are not the ones out there. Players make plays. I don’t know that we got out coached, cause none of us know the game plan. But we got outplayed and led, on the field. That is on the captains and players. It was ISU’s homecoming coming off an embarrassing loss and they have confidence playing us. I am surprised everyone on here is shocked they went off on us. The season is not lost yet. Let’s see how they respond first. They responded well after the last loss. You, my friend, are what is wrong with UND right now. We'll NEVER do this, we'll NEVER do that. This isn't "realistic", that isn't "realistic". Blah, blah, blah. Have you ever heard of the term "self-fulfilling prophecy". Because that is what is happening in Grand Forks right now. You start accepting mediocrity and adopt low standards, then you get mediocrity and low standards. That perpetuates mediocrity, which starts the whole vicious cycle all over again. This monster feeds onto itself. And the only way to kill this monster and restore the tradition of excellence we used to have around here is to hire a strong UND President who acknowledges that academics, athletics and research can and must coexist for the entire campus to move upward and forward. Not downward and backward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, SlowHand said: I am not here to rub salt in any wounds so lets not go there. I am really not sure how UND gets the train back on the rails or even where to start. Its tough enough recruiting football talent with NDSU an hour away. UND seems to recruit decent players, but they dont seem to improve/develop them. I am not sure how many people here understand the value Jim Kramer brings to the NDSU program. He is a huge part of their success and UND would do well to find out whats going on with their S&C program. Bubba is a likable guy, but I think its time for a change. I think you guys need a new HC, DC and OC. Wipe the slate clean and rebuild from scratch. I am not sure financially if that is doable or what funds are available. I think its going to take a big change to restart the football program. With the new MVFC schedule maybe the shorter travel will free up a few bucks. Someone mentioned dropping football. This may not be as crazy as some think, although I am sure it would burn for a while. If UND were able to redirect all of the football funds to the hockey program I think it would put UND in the very best possible position to absolutely dominate in hockey. Overall, that may be best for the university in the long run. In either case, I hope something positive happens to get things going in the right direction again. Flame on.... So we should just drop FB, continue ignoring MBB and WBB and focus entirely on hockey? Sorry, that is not the answer. It would be better to go back to Division II. Either we do the Division I experiment right or we drop it. No in-between. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Glaring Issues that I see: 1. Strength and conditioning. 2. Recruiting. 3. Specialists. 4. Offensive line. 5. Penalties/discipline. The list gets longer. But that's what concerns me the most. non-coaching issues: Community support and sponsorship Attendance, public student family Ambiance in the Alerus Media... or lack of it Phase 2 facility Promotion of our student athletes IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mama Sue said: non-coaching issues: Community support and sponsorship Attendance, public student family Ambiance in the Alerus Media... or lack of it Phase 2 facility Promotion of our student athletes IMHO Red Pepper at the Alerus would solve a lot of this FB program's ills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Glaring Issues that I see: 1. Strength and conditioning. 2. Recruiting. 3. Specialists. 4. Offensive line. 5. Penalties/discipline. The list gets longer. But that's what concerns me the most. That's the tip of the iceberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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