Who would UND hire?

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Look forward! Not backward silly

You seem like you want your brain melted ...

How's this: 
According to this source, he’s one of the 30 hottest coaches under 30 in college FB.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_7

He played at MSU-Moorhead …

[JohnboyND7]

8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

You seem like you want your brain melted ...

How's this: 
According to this source, he’s one of the 30 hottest coaches under 30 in college FB.
https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/247Sports-30Under30-2022-list-top-young-coaches-in-college-football-190685546/#190685546_7

He played at MSU-Moorhead …

Wow!

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Wow!

That would trigger cognitive dissonance over at least five states. 

[Goon]

22 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I think the best bet for UND would be to get new blood entirely. 

The culture for UND football needs to change for there to be steps moving forward. 

[Goon]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” - George Santayana

This guy had hundreds of other smart quotes, too. 

[nodakvindy]

7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

So ... recruiting, facilities, head start, uh-huh, uh-huh, ... When they jumped their facilities were junk and they were an average DII regarded as a basketball school. Yet, there they are today. 


Might they have simply had a vision, then developed a plan, and then executed it, regardless of. and not focusing on, what was happening around them either internally or externally? 

Bingo 

[jdub27]

6 hours ago, Goon said:

The culture for UND football needs to change for there to be steps moving forward. 

I'm genuinely curious on what specifically are the "culture" issues that need to change? 

DeBoer and Bubba spent 4 years together at SIU. I doubt they have all that much different of philosophies on culture. 

[Irish]

25 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I'm genuinely curious on what specifically are the "culture" issues that need to change? 

DeBoer and Bubba spent 4 years together at SIU. I doubt they have all that much different of philosophies on culture. 

The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended.  The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year.  The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great.  

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

34 minutes ago, Irish said:

The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended.  The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year.  The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great.  

 

Spot on. 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, Irish said:

The culture where a 5-6 coach gets extended.  The shuckey darn culture where "we've just got to get better" - year after year.  The culture where 6 years of Muss and 9 years of Bubba is just great.  

Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. Regardless, if that was truly the case, then they are wasting a lot of time and effort in the investments currently being made in the program. 

The reasons for plenty (though not all) of those decisions have been hashed over time and time again and are much easier to criticize (or agree with) given hindsight. Plenty, though again not all, were at least justifiable at the time to anyone who's willing to be objective (which is a big ask for some people). 

Go ahead and save the "accepting mediocrity" bit, that's been beaten to death as well. 

[Frozen4sioux]

12 hours ago, shep said:

Just curious-what amounts are considered mid-moderate levels?

You know in my mind that's the 500-1500ish level maybe...

even 200 to 500 need to be celebrated. IMHO

Heck I gave $50 to summer hockey thing one time and I got a call from someone AND a card from coach.

I felt appreciated.

[fightingsioux4life]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. Regardless, if that was truly the case, then they are wasting a lot of time and effort in the investments currently being made in the program. 

The reasons for plenty (though not all) of those decisions have been hashed over time and time again and are much easier to criticize (or agree with) given hindsight. Plenty, though again not all, were at least justifiable at the time to anyone who's willing to be objective (which is a big ask for some people). 

Go ahead and save the "accepting mediocrity" bit, that's been beaten to death as well. 

[Oxbow6]

Leaders set the culture which then sets the expectations which then produces results.

At the end of today the result of this game matters.....not "Aw shucks we just need to tackle better".

[The Sicatoka]

I get the impression at times that UND is afraid to "hang a number" on an opponent. Other schools roll up 56 and never come off the throttles. UND gets a lead then then sits back and plays for the end of the game. It's like UND is afraid of more than 30 points on their side of the ledger. That's the leadership's doing. 

[The Sicatoka]

8 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either.

So what are those expectations from Administration.

Bill gives the impression that this is good enough. I'm giving Andy a full season at the helm to make observations. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

8 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Yeah, that's not culture. That's expectations. And I'm not sure I'm pinning that at the football team level either. Regardless, if that was truly the case, then they are wasting a lot of time and effort in the investments currently being made in the program. 

The reasons for plenty (though not all) of those decisions have been hashed over time and time again and are much easier to criticize (or agree with) given hindsight. Plenty, though again not all, were at least justifiable at the time to anyone who's willing to be objective (which is a big ask for some people). 

Go ahead and save the "accepting mediocrity" bit, that's been beaten to death as well. 

UND extended a coach after a 5-6 season. That’s the issue. Nothing else. Nothing more.

Culture and expectations are not where they need to be. Matter of semantics, really. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

27 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I get the impression at times that UND is afraid to "hang a number" on an opponent. Other schools roll up 56 and never come off the throttles. UND gets a lead then then sits back and plays for the end of the game. It's like UND is afraid of more than 30 points on their side of the ledger. That's the leadership's doing. 

Agree, have always had that “gut feeling” with Bubba teams. They just want to go “toe-to-toe”. Which is why I think his teams will always underproduce for UND, unfortunately. 

[The Sicatoka]

We need 2:30.
We have 4:00 leadership. 

We need someone willing and able to roll it in 2:15, to show it can be done and how. A leader. 

Or don't fly the mission. 

[nodakvindy]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

We need 2:30.
We have 4:00 leadership. 

We need someone willing and able to roll it in 2:15, to show it can be done and how. A leader. 

Or don't fly the mission. 

Go get em Maverick. Couldn't agree more.

 

[Goon]

13 hours ago, jdub27 said:

I'm genuinely curious on what specifically are the "culture" issues that need to change? 

DeBoer and Bubba spent 4 years together at SIU. I doubt they have all that much different of philosophies on culture. 

Do we want to be compared to SIU or teams in the upper echelon of FCS? I believe that we need to get coaches that have come from winning programs that know what it takes to win. While I like Bubba, he's an awesome guy, I think the current head coach is stuck in the DII mentality. Frankly, I am tired of watching our teams swim in mediocrity. I know that others are too. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

On 9/26/2022 at 2:28 PM, gfhockey said:

Bubba is not a closer too

 

helluva speaker and great guy but he is too nice to close the deal I think

 

i could see him across the table about ready to secure a $10miion donation and  tells the people well you may only want to do $5 million so your kids can have the other $ 5 million too as family is very important 

i heard tom serratore was at the big tap in cass lake on wednesday eve trying to get a much money as possible to get money for higher end recruits....that's commitment!!!!!!!!!

[90siouxfan]

Scott Frost...  like Bohl, Petrino..  a dismissed FBS coach lands & brings a program up a level.  Rumors in NE is coach had some coed troubles.... 

[SD UND]

Bubba haters should shut the hell up after today 

[gfhockey]

Where wouldn we be with out hoos the moose

[Sioux>Bison]

3 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Where wouldn we be with out hoos the moose

Wouldn’t be a spot for him if Otis hadn’t messed up! I have a feeling Hoos is a big leader in the locker room too