FCS Playoffs

[Sioux94]

Another article about the playoff selection process. Maybe something will actually change this time with as much publicity as this is getting this time around. 

[The Sicatoka]

The link:

 

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/ 

[The Sicatoka]

Excerpts:

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... the committee did not know Montana’s exact bid to host a home game until after the 24 teams were selected for the field, the committee did know how big, historically, the bid usually is and included that among factors it considered when deciding if the Griz should be in the field in the first place.

Translated: Montana bid their way not only to home field but INTO THE TOURNAMENT FIELD. 

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So Weber State hosted a home game because, Truax said, its on-field performance won out — a logical decision for a committee using subjective criteria. But for Southeast Missouri State, that same logic didn’t apply when it came to playing at Montana.

And who knew the following:

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Not only are the explanations of how seeds are assigned, bids awarded, teams selected and matchups paired for the field rather scattershot, but it gets more strange: seeded teams are not necessarily guaranteed to host their second-round games. Teams send bids to the NCAA for hosting those games, too.

The same criteria are used to choose who hosts in the second round and, as Truax told Montana State beat writer Victor Flores of 406mtsports.com, “the committee tries to reward the seeded team with the opportunity to host.”

The second-round minimum bid is around $48,000, Semb reported, who added the hypothetical that if Montana State did the minimum and Weber State bid twice that much, there would be a conversation about who hosted the game despite MSU being the No. 4 seed and Weber being unseeded.

 

So someone could bid < Dr. Evil voice > "one beeelion dollars!" and make NDSU go on the road as the #3? 

Finally, this author clearly does not know the NCAA. His simple solution would not do because it makes sense. 

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It could be so much more simple, and the fixes are easy as long as the Division I football oversight committee agrees to recommend the end of regionalization beyond the first round. Subjectivity from a committee is not totally avoidable, but cutting down on the number of subjective factors would go a long way.

First, the top 16 teams should be seeded, with the top eight being awarded a bye and a second-round home game.

Seeds No. 9-16 should then be assigned to host home games in the first round, provided they agree to a small, minimum, standardized monetary guarantee and can provide proof of adequate facilities. All bids to host would be equal (say $40,000 for the first round). Schools could not outbid one another to host games and most teams would only be kept from hosting home games by failing to agree to the small, standardized bid.

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

His strong finish:

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Until then, it’s difficult to crow too much about the merits of the FCS playoffs over the FBS postseason because there’s too much caught in the translucent haze of how the whole thing comes together.

"Translucent haze." <-- that's the air in a room full of stogies and scotch 

[jdub27]

I really think you need to rank 1-24 so that the 1st round matchups more clear as well and not regionalized. It wouldn't cause all that much more uproar than seeding 1-16. And why should the 16 seed get to play the worst team in the field just because they are a bus ride away and team #9 have to play a team that just missed being ranked for the same reason?

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

And why should the 16 seed get to play the worst team in the field just because they are a bus ride away and team #9 have to play a team that just missed being ranked for the same reason?

Because committee members love being "lobbied" for seeding preferences. 

Make it analytic and the "lobbying" (and any perks that may come along the way) goes away. 

 

[UNDBIZ]

Credit to Chaves.  Shame on the committee.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Smoke

 

[farce poobah]

I hope this is yet another NCAA fiasco where UND getting the shaft results in a change in rules. 

[jdub27]

Worth noting that the NCAA still made more money off of Montana than they would have on UND. However, anyone who's still questioning the athletic department's willingness is just flat out wrong at this point. They put up more guaranteed money than anyone in the first round.

 

 

[Dustin]

48 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Credit to Chaves.  Shame on the committee.

So UND did indeed outbid Montana.  My proposed situation from earlier is actually rendered moot.  For shame...

[Und246]

Anybody who was on playoff selection committee should be immediately removed. Start over. 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

? 4 those in da know?

I'm thinking, the bid amount is figured into the NCAA proceeds formula they get out of the actually attendance ticket sales for that game? If the regular NCAA proceeds don't exceed the bid, then the home team also coughs up the difference?

Not thinking, the bid is paid on top of the regular NCAA formula revenues?

[The Sicatoka]

Lemme get this straight:

Montana bids $126,281 and gets home game against conference champion.
North Dakota bids $127,500 and gets sent on the road against a third-place team (like UND is a third-place team). 

And UND's bid was 3x Weber's.  

[UNDColorado]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Lemme get this straight:

Montana bids $126,281 and gets home game against conference champion.
North Dakota bids $127,500 and gets sent on the road against a third-place team (like UND is a third-place team). 

And UND's bid was 3x Weber's.  

Yep, UND got the shaft. I really think we win this game at home. 

[The Sicatoka]

10 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Yep, UND got the shaft. 

I think more the "BOHICA" ... Bend Over, Here It Comes, Again. 

[Rebel_Sioux]

No system is perfect.  People complain about the Frozen 4 seeding and Final 4 seedings too. However this FCS process is clearly broken. The last team in shouldn't be able to bribe its way in and then get to host on top of that. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 minute ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

The last team in shouldn't be able to bribe its way in and then get to host on top of that. 

... yet here we are, or more correctly they, Montana, are. 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Lemme get this straight:

Montana bids $126,281 and gets home game against conference champion.
North Dakota bids $127,500 and gets sent on the road against a third-place team (like UND is a third-place team). 

And UND's bid was 3x Weber's.  

And was sent to tent locker rooms in ‘19

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

And was sent to tent locker rooms in ‘19

BOHICA 

More reason why ...

[Sioux95]

8 hours ago, Und246 said:

Anybody who was on playoff selection committee should be immediately removed. Start over. 

It's never good to be the person behind a rule, or policy change that prevents screwing over other people. Good job NDSU AD. HE, AS THE MISSOURI VALLEY REP, HAD MORE ABILITY THAN ANYONE TO KEEP UND FROM GETTING SCREWED OVER. I ASSUME HE WAS IN FACT THE LEADING DRIVER OF UND GETTING THE SHAFT.

[rochsioux]

[The Sicatoka]

17 hours ago, farce poobah said:

I hope this is yet another NCAA fiasco where UND getting the shaft results in a change in rules. 

Anyone keeping the list of rules modified after they "negatively impacted" UND?

- the 2022 FCS seeding (high bid until it's not)
- off side reviews for goals (NCAA hockey regional) 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Anyone keeping the list of rules modified after they "negatively impacted" UND?

- the 2022 FCS seeding (high bid until it's not)
- off side reviews for goals (NCAA hockey regional) 

The very first rule was the unwritten human nature rule in 2006
Screw the U that sues the NCAA

I remember there was talk about this happening when we started the lawsuit over the Sioux name.

[tnt]

36 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Anyone keeping the list of rules modified after they "negatively impacted" UND?

- the 2022 FCS seeding (high bid until it's not)
- off side reviews for goals (NCAA hockey regional) 

Didn't they change the game times in the regionals because of the Michigan Covid fiasco, where UND had to play the late game as a number 1 seed, then had to play Duluth the next day coming off of the late game.  Not sure if the game time change just became flexible in the case of a forfeit, or what, but nevertheless it was changed in part because of our regional that year, but maybe they couldn't stand Motzko whining that they had to play Mankato coming off of the late game, and Minnesota was the top seed.