FCS Playoffs

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Bigger crowd if at Alerus 

[Sioux94]

On the bright side.....SEMO is up 7-0 on Montana at the end of first quarter.  FTG 

[Sioux94]

10-0 SEMO now....13 minutes left in 2nd quarter.  Sounds like they scored a TD on defense.  

[Sioux94]

SEMO playing a 3-4 defense.  

[ToDaClub]

17-3 going into halftime. 

[Sioux94]

Nice 7 minute drive by Semo to close the first half......up 17-3 at half.  

Note - Montana also plays a 3-4

Semo looks pretty fast on defense....quick pursuit to the ball on the outside.  

Montana not putting up a very good case to deserve a home seed.  

[Sioux>Bison]

29 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

Nice 7 minute drive by Semo to close the first half......up 17-3 at half.  

Note - Montana also plays a 3-4

Semo looks pretty fast on defense....quick pursuit to the ball on the outside.  

Montana not putting up a very good case to deserve a home seed.  

Not only does Montana sneak into the field with a home game but they get a TV spot on ESPN 2. Can’t tell me that is not rigged. Also Delaware gets St Francis in the first round. We got screws this year but can’t go back in the future. Need to push to change these dumb selection criterias

[Sioux94]

Wow Semo just pissed away a 17 point lead by allowing two kick returns for TD's

[Sioux>Bison]

8 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:

Wow Semo just pissed away a 17 point lead by allowing two kick returns for TD's

Yeah pretty tight with the flags on those returns but hey the announcers like it! If I was a SEMO fans I would not be impressed with this road game with homer announcers…

[Sioux>Bison]

Wow no review even on that pass/fumble! FCS is so embarrassing….

[The Sicatoka]

So who made the final 16?
According to Massey it is:

28 at 11 (UNH at HC)
38 at 10 (Gard Webb at W&M)
7 at 9 (Furman at Inc Word)
25 at 2 (Delaware at SDSU)
5 at 4 (Weber at Mont St)
22 at 6 (SELA at Samford)
8 at 3 (Montana at NDSU)
17 at 1 (Richmond at Sac St) 

If those 16 were seeded "Massey":
38 at 1 (GW at Sac)
28 at 2 (UNH at SDSU)
25 at 3 (Delaware at NDSU)
22 at 4 (SELA at Mont St)
17 at 5 (Richmond at Weber)
11 at 6 (HC at Samford)
10 at 7 (W&M at Furman)
9 at 8 (Inc Word at Montana)
 

[Siouxperfan7]

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/records-show-unds-bid-to-host-fcs-playoff-game-far-exceeded-weber-states

Records show UND's bid to host FCS playoff game far exceeded Weber State's

Weber bid - $41,683.50

UND bid - $127,500

 

[homer]

It’s too bad UND can’t financially support its football program……..

[UNDColorado]

Of course UND gets screwed here. Now watch all of the gaslighting about how bids aren't the deciding factor even though we had to go play a team with a f%#$*& tent as a locker room because they had the higher bid.

[Dustin]

On 11/26/2022 at 11:17 PM, Sioux>Bison said:

Not only does Montana sneak into the field with a home game but they get a TV spot on ESPN 2. Can’t tell me that is not rigged. Also Delaware gets St Francis in the first round. We got screws this year but can’t go back in the future. Need to push to change these dumb selection criterias

Not trying to scapegoat UND's failure to win on Saturday on the NCAA, but the process was especially bad this year.  I think 16 teams need to be seeded and get to host.  The at-large selections (17-24) can be sent to their nearest 9-16 seeded team (if regionalization is still a priority) for the first round.  Top 8 teams still get a bye.

[UNDBIZ]

 

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, UNDBIZ said:

 

Very good read.  Sam did a bang up job on the article.

[SiouxFan100]

I will continue to pay passive attention to the playoffs. 
 

If the team I want to win the most is eliminated I revert to hoping some teams lose.

anybody but the other North Dakota team. 
 

is that bad?

might be a little jealous 

[Sioux94]

1 hour ago, SiouxFan100 said:

I will continue to pay passive attention to the playoffs. 
 

If the team I want to win the most is eliminated I revert to hoping some teams lose.

anybody but the other North Dakota team. 
 

is that bad?

might be a little jealous 

I'd be ok if NDSU lost this weekend, but they won't. Therefore I hope NDSU piss pounds Montana 55-0.  Would also like Weber to beat MSU. 

[tnt]

On 11/28/2022 at 3:02 PM, UNDColorado said:

Of course UND gets screwed here. Now watch all of the gaslighting about how bids aren't the deciding factor even though we had to go play a team with a f%#$*& tent as a locker room because they had the higher bid.

#player experience!

[The Sicatoka]

I've belittled Sam Herder in the past for his pro-Bison biases, but with this he is spot on.

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You can’t give Weber a home game over a UND team that bid higher and say it’s due to performance, and then give 7-4 Montana a home game on ESPN2 despite being one of the last teams in the field and having a 4-4 conference record due to its higher bid over a SEMO team who had a 9-2 record, won its conference, and actually owned a ranked win. You can’t talk about cost-saving measures when you leave more than $80K on the table to give a team a home game because you felt they were more deserving. The lack of consistency and deciding at random when to use subjective criteria (like performance) over objective criteria (bids) is when people question the credibility of a bracket that already has its warts.

If you want further proof that the committee has typically leaned toward bid amounts and not athlete experience or who deserved a home game more, there have been multiple examples in the past of a team hosting first-round games and the visiting team’s locker room was a big tent outside for goodness sake. 

So some years you are ok with sticking a team in tents for a visiting locker room because the other team had a higher bid? But then this year you gave a team a home game based on performance and not the bid. But then this same year you gave one of the last teams in the field a home game because of their bid?

What are we doing here? 

 

Compliments to Mr. Herder. 

[Sioux94]

Another article about the playoff selection process. Maybe something will actually change this time with as much publicity as this is getting this time around. 

[The Sicatoka]

The link:

 

https://www.standard.net/sports/weber-state/2022/nov/29/bid-bewilderment-fcs-football-playoff-selection-hosting-process-needs-an-overhaul/ 

[The Sicatoka]

Excerpts:

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... the committee did not know Montana’s exact bid to host a home game until after the 24 teams were selected for the field, the committee did know how big, historically, the bid usually is and included that among factors it considered when deciding if the Griz should be in the field in the first place.

Translated: Montana bid their way not only to home field but INTO THE TOURNAMENT FIELD. 

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So Weber State hosted a home game because, Truax said, its on-field performance won out — a logical decision for a committee using subjective criteria. But for Southeast Missouri State, that same logic didn’t apply when it came to playing at Montana.

And who knew the following:

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Not only are the explanations of how seeds are assigned, bids awarded, teams selected and matchups paired for the field rather scattershot, but it gets more strange: seeded teams are not necessarily guaranteed to host their second-round games. Teams send bids to the NCAA for hosting those games, too.

The same criteria are used to choose who hosts in the second round and, as Truax told Montana State beat writer Victor Flores of 406mtsports.com, “the committee tries to reward the seeded team with the opportunity to host.”

The second-round minimum bid is around $48,000, Semb reported, who added the hypothetical that if Montana State did the minimum and Weber State bid twice that much, there would be a conversation about who hosted the game despite MSU being the No. 4 seed and Weber being unseeded.

 

So someone could bid < Dr. Evil voice > "one beeelion dollars!" and make NDSU go on the road as the #3? 

Finally, this author clearly does not know the NCAA. His simple solution would not do because it makes sense. 

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It could be so much more simple, and the fixes are easy as long as the Division I football oversight committee agrees to recommend the end of regionalization beyond the first round. Subjectivity from a committee is not totally avoidable, but cutting down on the number of subjective factors would go a long way.

First, the top 16 teams should be seeded, with the top eight being awarded a bye and a second-round home game.

Seeds No. 9-16 should then be assigned to host home games in the first round, provided they agree to a small, minimum, standardized monetary guarantee and can provide proof of adequate facilities. All bids to host would be equal (say $40,000 for the first round). Schools could not outbid one another to host games and most teams would only be kept from hosting home games by failing to agree to the small, standardized bid.

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

His strong finish:

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Until then, it’s difficult to crow too much about the merits of the FCS playoffs over the FBS postseason because there’s too much caught in the translucent haze of how the whole thing comes together.

"Translucent haze." <-- that's the air in a room full of stogies and scotch