2020 FB Recruiting

[Nodak78]

UND commit Sam Robertson Wayzata returned a KR 81 yards to the 10 yard line.  Sam has some nice speed.  Also made a tackle on a KR.  Special teams for UND

[Mama Sue]

I love to read the recruiting posts... gives me a warm fuzzy feeling!

[Nodak78]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/sports/ct-abn-spt-football-batavia-quinn-urwiler-st-120119-20191130-t5xsksipwzarfhsd4j35ioi3iq-story.html

[ChrisUND1]

Bob Stitt out as OC at Texas State.  I believe he was a big part of QB Cedric Case decomitting from UND.  Wonder if he will look to transfer?

[nodak651]

2 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

Bob Stitt out as OC at Texas State.  I believe he was a big part of QB Cedric Case decomitting from UND.  Wonder if he will look to transfer?

That was fast.  He's gotta like freunds offense if he liked Stitt.

[SiouxFan100]

6 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

Bob Stitt out as OC at Texas State.  I believe he was a big part of QB Cedric Case decomitting from UND.  Wonder if he will look to transfer?

2019 stats show he played in three games with one tackle - special teams??

[sioux24/7]

10 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:

Bob Stitt out as OC at Texas State.  I believe he was a big part of QB Cedric Case decomitting from UND.  Wonder if he will look to transfer?

Freund and Bubba still follow him. Not that that means anything. 

[geaux_sioux]

29 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

That was fast.  He's gotta like freunds offense if he liked Stitt.

I say screw that. He had his chance to come here.

[The Sicatoka]

I’m more interested in Stitt than Case. 

[iramurphy]

2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I say screw that. He had his chance to come here.

If he can play, good student, leader, great kid you don’t let pride limit your chances for success. 

[geaux_sioux]

19 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

If he can play, good student, leader, great kid you don’t let pride limit your chances for success. 

We need to start valuing the program. Bubba Bucks devalued the program. Letting a kid flip in recruiting and then ask him to come back? Hell no. No player is above the program. He had his chance and left us out to dry very late in the game. We can’t allow ourselves to be that desperate looking. Perception is huge in recruiting.

[Westside]

14 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

We need to start valuing the program. Bubba Bucks devalued the program. Letting a kid flip in recruiting and then ask him to come back? Hell no. No player is above the program. He had his chance and left us out to dry very late in the game. We can’t allow ourselves to be that desperate looking. Perception is huge in recruiting.

Exactly...

“Second Chance U”??? No thanks. 

[SiouxFan100]

So if Gollaway had regretted leaving we wouldn’t have welcomed him back?

[geaux_sioux]

22 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

So if Gollaway had regretted leaving we wouldn’t have welcomed him back?

If you let players put themselves above the program you have a problem on your hands. See the Mussman teams as example of what happens when a good portion of the roster thinks they’re above the program, that the program is lucky to have them. It should be the other way around. In other words, no.

[Fry Bread]

33 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

If you let players put themselves above the program you have a problem on your hands. See the Mussman teams as example of what happens when a good portion of the roster thinks they’re above the program, that the program is lucky to have them. It should be the other way around. In other words, no.

I think one player was given two more chances after he left and that didn’t end well for anyone 

[Mama Sue]

56 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

If you let players put themselves above the program you have a problem on your hands. See the Mussman teams as example of what happens when a good portion of the roster thinks they’re above the program, that the program is lucky to have them. It should be the other way around. In other words, no.

Don’t know so much about other years but this bad karma has to stop... fresh, young enthusiastic recruits and then there is a disconnect.... our national award winning band director (with 190kids in band) told me “Kids will handle discipline if it is fair. Unfair then there is no discipline.” He suspended his own kids when he got caught smoking...

We need some firmness and someone to establish a level of the limbo bar... for all players. That should include discipline for cocky behavior.... is there a bouncer in our coaching staff???. 

[shep]

59 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

If you let players put themselves above the program you have a problem on your hands. See the Mussman teams as example of what happens when a good portion of the roster thinks they’re above the program, that the program is lucky to have them. It should be the other way around. In other words, no.

How is accepting a very good player bad for the program? His reasons for the decommit was made based on a desire to play for a certain coach, and now the coach is gone, why not take him if he wanst to come here? It's not like he said he disliked the UND staff or program; just felt more likely to see his potential fulfilled with a different coach.

There's pride and there's foolish pride. 

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

We need to start valuing the program. Bubba Bucks devalued the program. Letting a kid flip in recruiting and then ask him to come back? Hell no. No player is above the program. He had his chance and left us out to dry very late in the game. We can’t allow ourselves to be that desperate looking. Perception is huge in recruiting.

I certainly value the program, but I’m not going to get bent out of shape over a high school kid changing his mind. After watching the lack of development of QB’s Under Rudolph, who could blame the kid for changing his mind. I don’t think we have the luxury of not going after best kids available.  Ohio State and Oklahoma seemingly would disagree with you. So would most college coaches. 

[Sioux>Bison]

1 hour ago, SiouxFan100 said:

So if Gollaway had regretted leaving we wouldn’t have welcomed him back?

Why would he have regretted leaving unless he was not as good as he was. If he underperformed at N. Illinois why would we want him back? Obviously there was no looking back for him.

[shep]

2 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I certainly value the program, but I’m not going to get bent out of shape over a high school kid changing his mind. After watching the lack of development of QB’s Under Rudolph, who could blame the kid for changing his mind. I don’t think we have the luxury of not going after best kids available.  Ohio State and Oklahoma seemingly would disagree with you. So would most college coaches. 

Great point about OSU and OK. 
Heisman QBs won in the last few years at schools they transferred to. Burrow at LSU started his career at OSU and is the likely winner this year.

[iramurphy]

10 minutes ago, shep said:

Great point about OSU and OK. 
Heisman QBs won in the last few years at schools they transferred to. Burrow at LSU started his career at OSU and is the likely winner this year.

Yup kids just want a chance to play and contribute. The program isn’t devalued by transfers. How many times has a kid taken an FBS PWO and we comment that we hope that if it doesn’t work out he ends up here. 

[SiouxFan100]

Appreciate the respectful dialogue. I think everyone has made valid points. Not easy!

Carry on

[Westside]

30 minutes ago, shep said:

Great point about OSU and OK. 
Heisman QBs won in the last few years at schools they transferred to. Burrow at LSU started his career at OSU and is the likely winner this year.

This isn’t about a typical transfer... we’ve taken plenty of transfers over the last 6 years (JJ, Kett, Zimmerman & many others). 
This particular scenario is a kid that decommitted from UND three days before signing day....

Totally different situations. Mayfield, Murray, Fields & Burrows never backed out of commitments to the teams they ended up transferring to. 

All hypothetical at this point anyways... 

 

[CMSioux]

31 minutes ago, Westside said:

This isn’t about a typical transfer... we’ve taken plenty of transfers over the last 6 years (JJ, Kett, Zimmerman & many others). 
This particular scenario is a kid that decommitted from UND three days before signing day....

Totally different situations. Mayfield, Murray, Fields & Burrows never backed out of commitments to the teams they ended up transferring to. 

All hypothetical at this point anyways... 

 

Pretty sure he was only offered a FBS scholarship four days before signing day. This is a hypothetical conversation that isn't worth the time. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, shep said:

Great point about OSU and OK. 
Heisman QBs won in the last few years at schools they transferred to. Burrow at LSU started his career at OSU and is the likely winner this year.

Are OSU OK and/or LSU struggling to regain a positive perception of their programs? Did the transfer qbs they now start decommit the week of signing day? Your argument is not valid as it is missing some key variables. Apples and oranges if you ask me.