Who would UND hire?

[iramurphy]

7 hours ago, Irish said:

In my opinion this is partially true - In my opinion the GOBC is not an organized entity with meetings etc. - more of a loose group of Bubba's and his brother's contemporaries and family - many older athletes who played with his brother and some older businessmen who were big Sioux boosters pushed for his hire and whose opinion at the time had influence with the Athletic Department.  I was personally lobbied a couple of times by some I knew whose pitch was "he bleeds Sioux Green".  How he keeps his job is a mystery known only the Chaves - whose tenure is a disaster.  Not naming names as what they did was their right to do and totally within bounds and was nothing sinister.   However the results speak for themselves and it looks like they are very reluctant to call for his firing. 

I think your summary regarding the initial hiring is spot on. I’m not sure about the “many” older guys but I wouldn’t know. I was never lobbied nor asked my opinion.  It ls pretty normal for people to lobby for the hiring of a friend or family member.

For whatever reason Bubba was extended. I think that surprised a lot of people but at this time it is what it is. I can’t speak for others but although his supporters may not be demanding he be fired, quite a few wish he would step down. If it wouldn’t cost so much, I think more people would be more vocal. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

50 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I think your summary regarding the initial hiring is spot on. I’m not sure about the “many” older guys but I wouldn’t know. I was never lobbied nor asked my opinion.  It ls pretty normal for people to lobby for the hiring of a friend or family member.

For whatever reason Bubba was extended. I think that surprised a lot of people but at this time it is what it is. I can’t speak for others but although his supporters may not be demanding he be fired, quite a few wish he would step down. If it wouldn’t cost so much, I think more people would be more vocal. 

It costs a lot to remove him as head coach because of an incredibly questionable and suspect extension, which hasn’t been explained. There are corruption and/or lack of accountability concerns still present, undoubtedly, based on this extension and also now with there being no removal of the head coach (despite a 5-7 season, 5-game losing streak, and only 1 playoff victory over 11 seasons).
 

The extension was completely unwarranted and it raises signifiant questions. Being afraid to ask such questions is a poor quality, in my opinion, regardless of previous track record. 

[Shawn-O]

If hockey and hoops don’t go well the next four months I think Uncle Andy has to make a move with the AD position.  

[gfhockey]

First red flag was Bubba said this is his dream job. You and D should not be a dream Job. It should be a stepping stone.

[UND Football Fan]

29 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

First red flag was Bubba said this is his dream job. You and D should not be a dream Job. It should be a stepping stone.

Or this is my dream job and my goal is to win a national title in 5 years. Or what ever the contract length was. (John McKay of the Bucs had a five year playoff plan because his contract was five years)

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It costs a lot to remove him as head coach because of an incredibly questionable and suspect extension, which hasn’t been explained. There are corruption and/or lack of accountability concerns still present, undoubtedly, based on this extension and also now with there being no removal of the head coach (despite a 5-7 season, 5-game losing streak, and only 1 playoff victory over 11 seasons).
 

The extension was completely unwarranted and it raises signifiant questions. Being afraid to ask such questions is a poor quality, in my opinion, regardless of previous track record. 

You are correct in that it would cost a lot to buy out the contract. I would agree the extension was unwarranted. I believe the majority of folks on this forum agree. Everyone knows about the  FB team’s struggles. (I think you have made your opinion clear multiple times over multiple years by what you repeatedly post). 

Where did you get the idea people are afraid to ask questions?  
You lose credibility when you repeat your unfounded accusations of corruption.  If there is corruption don’t you have an obligation to expose it so it can be fixed?  Extending a coaches contract may prove to be a mistake but it isn’t corrupt. (This is exactly the kind of accusations that hurt DeBoer’s chance to be hired as the head coach years ago).  
 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

45 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

You are correct in that it would cost a lot to buy out the contract. I would agree the extension was unwarranted. I believe the majority of folks on this forum agree. Everyone knows about the  FB team’s struggles. (I think you have made your opinion clear multiple times over multiple years by what you repeatedly post). 

Where did you get the idea people are afraid to ask questions?  
You lose credibility when you repeat your unfounded accusations of corruption.  If there is corruption don’t you have an obligation to expose it so it can be fixed?  Extending a coaches contract may prove to be a mistake but it isn’t corrupt. (This is exactly the kind of accusations that hurt DeBoer’s chance to be hired as the head coach years ago).  
 

 

My complaints of corruption have been nonspecific and don’t harm anything, but they do shed light on the major deficiencies within UND athletics. More to be determined I suppose …

[HoopsFan03]

59 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

My complaints of corruption have been nonspecific and don’t harm anything, but they do shed light on the major deficiencies within UND athletics. More to be determined I suppose …

It’s either corruption or else Chaves is just really that dumb. 
 

You can paint the picture however you want. Still means the same thing.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

My complaints of corruption have been nonspecific and don’t harm anything, but they do shed light on the major deficiencies within UND athletics. More to be determined I suppose …

I mean, if there is true corruption and you aren't shedding light on it, doesn't that makes you complicit by letting it continue?

If it is actually accurate and as serious as you keep alluding to, myself and/or many others would be standing in line with you to take it to the President, legislature or SBoHE.

Otherwise, the vague claims are borderline libel and do nothing other than come off as an attempt to stir the pot.

My offer stands. 

[fightingsioux4life]

I'm not buying into the conspiracy stuff.

I think the simplest explanation is the best explanation.

It is simply easier for Chaves to keep extending the same coaches than facing the prospect of having to search for a replacement.

It is also cheaper to keep extending a coach with a slightly above average winning percentage than hiring a younger coach with bigger upside and higher earning potential.

This all goes back to my contention that UND's Division 2 era funding model is simply inadequate and incapable of providing the necessary resources to build a successful Division 1 athletic program.