Siouxmusic Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If we fire a coach with the amount of success Hakstol has, we will be the laughing stock of NCAA hockey. No titles in 8 years is the worst reason to fire a coach who regularly puts us in a position to contend. I hate losing, but when you look at the big picture, titles aren't the only measure of success. When we're 10-25 for the 4th season in a row, by all means get your pitchforks. Until then, keep dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard23 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Note to Hak. If the dump and chase doesn't work 6 times on the power play, try something different. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozen4sioux Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I thought Berry was in charge of the PP....maybe the Fire Berry thread needs a recharge of lunacy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rory Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Note to Hak. If the dump and chase doesn't work 6 times on the power play, try something different. It may work if you have someone to chase. 4 shots on 8 powerplays. Woohoo!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan in DU Country Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I said it before - it does not necassarily fall on the coaches. Church player execution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan in DU Country Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I said it before - it does not necassarily fall on the coaches. Chech the player execution.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I said it before - it does not necassarily fall on the coaches. Church player execution.... Church what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Got to say that I am plenty frustrated right now. I am really starting to hate the dump and chase especially on the power play. Now is the time for one of the ducky and bunny guys to come on and quote Red's record at Michigan. Not time for him to get fired, but certainly time for him to wake up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan in DU Country Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 In my humble opinion, our game is too simple. They (St. Lawrence) started trapping around the 15:00 minute mark in the 2nd - can't recall the exact time. check out their forechecker. behind our net, 1 on 2 or 3 at times - resulting in a lost battle and us losing the puck and the !@$! show starts. Then our even strength breakout....well I am not going there - we all saw what that resulted in. Powerplay breakout? Oh - interesting - its a pro set - you can see it happen 63 times a night on the nhl channel...the difference is the decisions made on the ice are unprecedented ( I suspect for a reason - cuz they do not work ). I don't understand what we are trying to do and it sure as he!! doesn't\hasn't and won't work. Still not blaming coaching - I see player on ice decision making the issue. That being said, maybe since we have fallen out of the top 20 and just got beat again by another non-top 20 team maybe this year is not our year. Anyone think we can close this thread and maybe just move on to another topic - Davey ain't going anywhere. Maybe we just need to give it time...like martin Zellar says "time heals and time forgets...". Next year at this time things will be matured and better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXELEVENS Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Hakstol can't or won't change his dump and chase, how many times in the offense zone all three forwards against one wall or behind the net and guess what happens? The puck comes loose and st. Lawrence takes it the other way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan in DU Country Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Wut he said /\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Got to say that I am plenty frustrated right now. I am really starting to hate the dump and chase especially on the power play. Now is the time for one of the ducky and bunny guys to come on and quote Red's record at Michigan. Not time for him to get fired, but certainly time for him to wake up. I think I'm your huckleberry... The folks grumbling about Hak tonight are the same ones who think 7 losing seasons in 13 years is acceptable as long as there is one NCAA title in there somewhere. For the record, I expressed frustration with dump and chase futility on the PP right after the 2011 Frozen Four. Very frustrating, especially since UMD figured out how to carry the puck into the zone on the PP 48 hours later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I think I'm your huckleberry... The folks grumbling about Hak tonight are the same ones who think 7 losing seasons in 13 years is acceptable as long as there is one NCAA title in there somewhere. For the record, I expressed frustration with dump and chase futility on the PP right after the 2011 Frozen Four. Very frustrating, especially since UMD figured out how to carry the puck into the zone on the PP 48 hours later. What frustrating is watching out pp which is just moronic and then watching the gophers and dogs play each other. They always have sharp passing and creative playmaking on their pp units and can 1 get the puck into the zone and 2 keep it there. Would it be so hard to take a page out of their books? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Looks like Hak might have peaked in his early years... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I think I'm your huckleberry... The folks grumbling about Hak tonight are the same ones who think 7 losing seasons in 13 years is acceptable as long as there is one NCAA title in there somewhere. Every year you don't win an NCAA Title is a "losing year." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Hakstol can't or won't change his dump and chase, how many times in the offense zone all three forwards against one wall or behind the net and guess what happens? The puck comes loose and st. Lawrence takes it the other way. I couldn't agree more...this team doesn't have dump and chase players. I go back to the square peg and round hole theory...it doesn't fit. 5x3 I believe it was Johnson who carried the puck down the right wall to the blue line STOPPED and dumped it in. Carry the frickin puck in!!!!!! There is obviously no freedom to deviate from Hak"s system for these guys. Problem is the "system" isn't working and won't work with these players. Right now UND has to be the easiest team for opponents to prepare for in the nation...bar none. They are real easy to play against. And on another side note of square peg round hole...how does Mitch go from top 6 with healthy bodies to suit with 3 forwards out? Never been a fan of his but again it makes one wonder what the heck does Hak think sometimes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 A lot of you guys are focusing on how we run our pp, I though out overall effort and our pk was so much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 "...what you got to do is find spots for each one of (the kids) so they can do what they do best...and I think that is really the key." Quote last night from the boy's HS BB coach where my kids attend school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXELEVENS Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Maybe not firing Hak but maybe showing Berry the door wouldn't be a bad thing. He was brought in as a defensive specialist and the D has been awful the last two years, what are we like 45 out of 59 in defensive scoring. Maybe the disparity in shots is a defensive problem also( too much time running around in you own zone). Ps mr. Schmaltz act like you want to be a D man, at least three times last night he is coasting back or not covering his man on goals scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokey the cat Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Church what? not church it is chech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokey the cat Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 In my humble opinion, our game is too simple. They (St. Lawrence) started trapping around the 15:00 minute mark in the 2nd - can't recall the exact time. check out their forechecker. behind our net, 1 on 2 or 3 at times - resulting in a lost battle and us losing the puck and the !@$! show starts. Then our even strength breakout....well I am not going there - we all saw what that resulted in. Powerplay breakout? Oh - interesting - its a pro set - you can see it happen 63 times a night on the nhl channel...the difference is the decisions made on the ice are unprecedented ( I suspect for a reason - cuz they do not work ). I don't understand what we are trying to do and it sure as he!! doesn't\hasn't and won't work. Still not blaming coaching - I see player on ice decision making the issue. That being said, maybe since we have fallen out of the top 20 and just got beat again by another non-top 20 team maybe this year is not our year. Anyone think we can close this thread and maybe just move on to another topic - Davey ain't going anywhere. Maybe we just need to give it time...like martin Zellar says "time heals and time forgets...". Next year at this time things will be matured and better. martin did not say that. time heals wasn't a martin song. billy wrote and sang it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Looks like Hak might have peaked in his early years... 4 Frozen Fours in his first 4 years and one since. That may be tough to argue against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OETKB Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 4 Frozen Fours in his first 4 years and one since. That may be tough to argue against. I have not specifically been calling for Hak's departure, but I have been trying to point out for the last few years that I think the program has been headed the wrong direction. Last season was alarming for me. Least number of wins in Hak's tenure, no hardware, no Frozen Four, all while having 14 draftees, including two hobey baker candidates. Oh, yeah, and no "second half surge". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 4 Frozen Fours in his first 4 years and one since. That may be tough to argue against. And one might argue those were Blais' recruits too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXELEVENS Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 If you look at Hakstol's coaching record that would be par for the course, had success early in the USHL then went the other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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