Chewey Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/3661197-letter-ncaa-not-villain-nickname-issue Just an opinion piece from the herald. So und was given the same ultimatum as Florida state? Then why did und need to get multiple tribes' approval? Not exactly the same offer. Florida state also has more money to offer their one tribe. And how can this guy say und had done little to pay the sioux people for using the name? Wow! UND did everything they could with the tribal councils and were 2 tribal council votes shy of getting a vote allowed on SR. Their fault the failure to nurture any kind of stable, good faith relationships from at least the 40's or 50's forward. Any payment would have been seen as a "bribe" and the nickname opponents on the councils were too "principled" to go that route. As President Kupchella said, the nickname had been in the public domain for decades. Not one part of the NCAA charade should have been necessary though the school have cultivated relationships anyway. UND was bullied 1.) because it was and is smaller than FSU and it's not a BCS school; and 2.) Dorgan, Conrad and Pomeroy did absolutely nothing and Florida's delegation did. Dorgan's, Conrad's and Pomeroy's indifference were no surprise, especially given their impotence and squishiness to GFAFB's loss of ICBM's to Malmstrom and B-1 B bombers all when Bill Clinton (yes, a Democrat) was President. There was hope with Hoeven but he turned out to be entirely squishy too. Whether it's "Redskins", "Seminoles" or "Fighting Sioux", the names have been in the public domain and permission should not be necessary. If you don't like the name(s), that's "tough darts", as Randy Lee used to say. Unfortunately the NCAA specifically and academia generally, with its "free speech zones" and like nonsense, have become the de facto US version of Canada's Provincial Human Rights Commissions. 2 Quote
yababy8 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Bill Burr talks about experiencing the tomahawk chop at a Florida State game. BTW, if you haven't watched Bill Burr you need to. Anyone tired of the irrational PC society we live in will absolutely love listening to this guy like drinking a delicious glass of refreshing ice water after a long stretch in a hot desert.. The best!! He has several specials on Netfix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3WgiMftaU 1 Quote
bison73 Posted March 6, 2015 Posted March 6, 2015 Bill Burr talks about experiencing the tomahawk chop at a Florida State game. BTW, if you haven't watched Bill Burr you need to. Anyone tired of the irrational PC society we live in will absolutely love listening to this guy like drinking a delicious glass of refreshing ice water after a long stretch in a hot desert.. The best!! He has several specials on Netfix. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3WgiMftaU Now that dude is funny. Quote
CMSioux Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Quote from BJ Rainbow in a story about this week's pow wow - "The majority of us are happy we're moving away from (the Fighting Sioux), however, it's just that—it's words," he said, referencing the recent Frozen Four hockey game where many wore Sioux gear. "The sentiment and the thoughts—they're still there." Appears their next step will be to try and scrub all Fighting Sioux clothing from the universe. Quote
ScottM Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Quote from BJ Rainbow in a story about this week's pow wow - "The majority of us are happy we're moving away from (the Fighting Sioux), however, it's just that—it's words," he said, referencing the recent Frozen Four hockey game where many wore Sioux gear. "The sentiment and the thoughts—they're still there." Appears their next step will be to try and scrub all Fighting Sioux clothing from the universe. And meanwhile, back in "the real world" ... http://www.startribune.com/nation/299525721.html 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 And meanwhile, back in "the real world" ... http://www.startribune.com/nation/299525721.html Didn't some of the people in BRIDGES and other anti-nickname groups say that the nickname and logo were at least in-part responsible for the problems on reservations? These are the problems they should focus on, not a sports team's name and logo. Quote
SiouxForever Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Thoughts on this? https://www.facebook.com/thesiouxweresilenced https://twitter.com/silencedsioux Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Thoughts on this? https://www.facebook.com/thesiouxweresilenced https://twitter.com/silencedsioux Great campaign, unfortunately about 6 years too late!! 2 Quote
IrishSiouxFan Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Great campaign, unfortunately about 6 years too late!! Im with you. It's a day late and a dollar short. But it would make for an interesting documentary someday. Quote
jdub27 Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Great campaign, unfortunately about 6 years too late!! Or a couple decades. Hopefully this will keep people busy while those looking out for the best interests of the University and athletic department as a whole move on and put a new nickname in place. Still can't figure out why people don't understand that's the point we are at, regardless of how it came to be. The Fighting Sioux nickname and logo isn't coming back and the University won't be able to fully move on until a new nickname is in place. 1 Quote
siouxstudent Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Sorry if this is an old question but I really didnt follow this much, how did the Seminoles get approval and we did not? Quote
Shawn-O Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Sorry if this is an old question but I really didnt follow this much, how did the Seminoles get approval and we did not? http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/24/sports/24mascot.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Quote
homer Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Sorry if this is an old question but I really didnt follow this much, how did the Seminoles get approval and we did not? The Seminole tribe of Florida gave a current approval to the NCAA in a manner that was acceptable. Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Another argument that people put for ward concerning Florida State getting approval is they only had to get approval from one tribe, and UND had to get 2. Now sure you could say that's unfair, but really it is not. Florida State had to get all namesake tribes in the state of Florida to give approval. There is only one in Florida and they gave approval. Boom, name stays. All UND had to do is get approval from both manesake tribes in the state of North Dakota. Is that fair, well you can debate that, but it is the agreement that UND signed in the settlement. Have plenty of time to gain approval from Standing Rock. They chose not to give it. Name gone. It doesn't surprise me that details of this issue get forgotten. It has been almost 10 years since this story has been going on!! It does however surprise me that people think that we can go back to being the Fighting Sioux. It's not going to happen.It sucks, I agree. But people need to accept reality. Quote
mksioux Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Standing Rock silenced itself by refusing to vote on the matter. I can understand why some at Spirit Lake are disheartened that Standing Rock did not follow suit with a referendum, but their anger should be directed at Standing Rock for refusing to engage in the matter, or against the NCAA for setting up the policy and the namesake exemption in the first place. Regardless, the Sioux had a voice and were not silenced. I'm not sure what they're talking about with the sealed court records. The 2007 article about the court seal states that the seal was only temporary and expired on November 5, 2007. Initially, Jahnke said the seal would expire Monday, to coincide with a pretrial hearing. Jahnke on Monday extended his order to Nov. 5 after on Friday postponing the pretrial hearing to that date. http://www.parkrapidsenterprise.com/content/und-nickname-lawsuit-records-remain-sealed-0 Unless there was a subsequent order sealing records, there shouldn't be anything still subject to seal. Quote
ScottM Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Thoughts on this? https://www.facebook.com/thesiouxweresilenced https://twitter.com/silencedsioux About 10 years too late ... Quote
90siouxfan Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I actually think the case could be made that Sioux tribe is being minimalized by the Chippeawa's that run the UND Indian Studies program and if the Standing Rock tribe realized that the are actually being played by a centuries old rival there is a small glimmer of hope, of course I also hoped Boston made the playoffs and the Pens went golfing Quote
nodakhoops Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Or a couple decades. Hopefully this will keep people busy while those looking out for the best interests of the University and athletic department as a whole move on and put a new nickname in place. Still can't figure out why people don't understand that's the point we are at, regardless of how it came to be. The Fighting Sioux nickname and logo isn't coming back and the University won't be able to fully move on until a new nickname is in place. This ^^^^ times a million. Love the Sioux name, but for the betterment of UND it's time to move to another name. Things like this is just an example of why no nickname shouldn't be an option. It would just continues to drag out this conflict among fans. Time to move forward with a new name. 3 Quote
darell1976 Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 This ^^^^ times a million. Love the Sioux name, but for the betterment of UND it's time to move to another name. Things like this is just an example of why no nickname shouldn't be an option. It would just continues to drag out this conflict among fans. Time to move forward with a new name. ^^^^^this along with jdub's post. Quote
Fetch Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Until this new nicname comes along ill stick with Fighting Sioux Forever & if it sucks Fighting Sioux will last forever 3 Quote
SiouxForever Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Be interesting to see the videos that will continue to come out by the Sioux were silenced Facebook page. Also note, they have over 6,000 likes in about a 24 hour period of time. That's pretty awesome! Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Facebook likes and hashtags, while warm and fuzzy to people who think they are relevant, are hollow and meaningless and inconsequential, especially when what is out there is a signed legal settlement agreement and what is needed is approval from two tribal councils (that will never relent in their opposition). 3 Quote
homer Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Be interesting to see the videos that will continue to come out by the Sioux were silenced Facebook page. Also note, they have over 6,000 likes in about a 24 hour period of time. That's pretty awesome! Over 2/3rds of the North Dakota voters "liked" the idea of allowing the school to move on. 1 Quote
90siouxfan Posted April 14, 2015 Posted April 14, 2015 Facebook likes and hashtags, while warm and fuzzy to people who think they are relevant, are hollow and meaningless and inconsequential, especially when what is out there is a signed legal settlement agreement and what is needed is approval from two tribal councils (that will never relent in their opposition).In reference to you italicized remark, isn't that the lynch pin? Not everyone is as easy to surrender and if RHHIT can be made to believe he has been played the fool by a centuries old enemy, maybe there is a chance. Of course the NC$$ may not respond as it would be hoped as they would have to reverse course and lose face. The cards are definitely stacked against the cause and hopes of even the most die hard fans are waining but some will cherish the name all the way to the grave. Quote
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