UND @ NDSU 11/19/2022

[Siouxperman8]

7 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Its less. The NCAA has really restricted hours lately.  Never been easier to be a college FB player as far as time goes

Interesting.  Thanks, I didn't realize that. 

[Dustin]

A little surprised there hasn’t been a new DC thread yet.  But maybe everyone’s thinking the same as me and don’t want to start it??

[siouxfan512]

On 11/19/2022 at 10:46 PM, SlowHand said:

Imaging going through life acting like you.  

good one

[SiouxFan100]

I hope we don’t get any surprises 

[Sioux94]

6 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

I hope we don’t get any surprises 

I hope we don't either, but kinda need to mentally get  used to a few players transferring out every year...and probably at least one surprise a year.... unfortunately. Always sucks when the season is over, and now we get to hear about guys transferring out after the season to rub some salt in the wound. Early signing day in December is nice though as we hopefully get lots of positive news each December. 

[bison73]

4 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Lolol. Your program spends no more time than any other. Kramer is not the reason

Kramer is a huge reason. He actually has more face time with the players than the other coaches. Hes great at what he does.

 

Most players who have been through the program would tell you you are wrong.

[90siouxfan]

3 hours ago, bison73 said:

Kramer is a huge reason. He actually has more face time with the players than the other coaches. Hes great at what he does.

 

Most players who have been through the program would tell you you are wrong.

So you are implying NCAA violations?

[UND1983]

6 hours ago, bison73 said:

Kramer is a huge reason. He actually has more face time with the players than the other coaches. Hes great at what he does.

 

Most players who have been through the program would tell you you are wrong.

It is illegal for NDSU to spend more time with their players than allowed. Kramer is not the reason why players keep transferring lately. Take off the Bison PJs and think.

[Midwestern Hawk]

22 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

 

Would his ceiling not be 2016 when we were a seeded team? 9-2 remember is more wins than 7-4.

You are correct.  That season ended with a giant fart at home in the playoffs.

[JohnboyND7]

23 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I think our system is too complex on d. There’s no reason an all conference grad transfer from Cal Poly should take most of the year to get comfortable. I’d much prefer a simple system that guys can easily execute at a high level at full speed than one that makes them constantly think and play slow as a result. I prefer the Wade Philips philosophy.

The Notre Dame offensive coordinator has caught a ton of flack for this sorta thing.  Its great to have a cool scheme but if the kids can't run it without thinking too hard, then it is not going to work.  

[JohnboyND7]

12 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Lolol. Your program spends no more time than any other. Kramer is not the reason

My understanding is he's pretty highly regarded in the S/C community and if it weren't for his kids being in Fargo (divorced I think?), he'd probably have been poached years ago.  No idea if that's true or not.  Just what I had heard from some folks.

[AJS]

23 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

 

Would his ceiling not be 2016 when we were a seeded team? 9-2 remember is more wins than 7-4.

I would say there's a Big Sky ceiling and then a MVFC ceiling and they are different. The way things are now, I would put UND's schedule every year into two groups. (1) FBS, NDSU, SDSU (2) Everyone else. UND is going to have to figure out one of two things. How to consistently get a single win out of group 1 every year or beat everyone in group 2. Otherwise, 7-4 is about as good as one can hope for.

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

My understanding is he's pretty highly regarded in the S/C community and if it weren't for his kids being in Fargo (divorced I think?), he'd probably have been poached years ago.  No idea if that's true or not.  Just what I had heard from some folks.

Once again, not what we are talking about but your infomercial is noted

[Bison06]

While it’s frustrating to see contributing players leave, it’s just a part of the game in 2022.

Playing time, location, coaching staff etc. So many reasons an 18-22 year old kid would change schools, some of them valid, others are spitting the bit when the going gets tough. Every school will deal with it with the new rules in place.

[wheelsup]

4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

While it’s frustrating to see contributing players leave, it’s just a part of the game in 2022.

Playing time, location, coaching staff etc. So many reasons an 18-22 year old kid would change schools, some of them valid, others are spitting the bit when the going gets tough. Every school will deal with it with the new rules in place.

I believe all schools will deal with as well.. to me the timing is a bit odd.  This year NDSU has had 4 players hit the portal before the season is over.. all four of them were considered to be reasonably decent and even key contributors (Sigel, Hart, Gonnella, Sproles).. My assumption is that none of them were kicked out the door but rather chose to leave.. and did not see the value in sticking with the program through the playoffs.  If they were bad apples and you guys were happy to get rid of them then I get it.. my sense is that this was not the case.  If these guys hit the transfer portal after the playoffs I would have a different opinion.  The worst excuse is that football is suddenly too hard for these young men..

If you cant acknowledge that the timing is odd or that they were all bad apples that the team is better off without.. you should acknowledge that there might be some internal issues with the program. 

[USTBench]

On 11/20/2022 at 6:26 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Also not sold on this coaching staff and S/C staff to develop the young players into anything exceptional. They do alright, just not at a championship level.
 

 

I've seen social media posts from Nate Baukol and what he has the kids doing looks, well...antiquated (and downright dangerous, TBH). It just looks like all the same things I did in college 20 years ago. 

I've also heard tales of extremely weak hip-flexors for a D1 football team and limited work on ROM (range of motion).

That said, it would appear from what I see of Will Ratelle's online stuff is that his philosphy much more aligned with what you'd see at a big time school nowadays, and I think that is telling. 

Combining strengh with ROM and explosive movement. 

My opinion is that the the strength coach needs to be scrutinized as intensely as the HC, maybe moreso. And there really needs to be analytical approach to everything from what type of injuries do we collectively experience the most, to what are the team deficiences. Bison strength is second-to-none, and that cannot really be debated. I think UND has something special in Ratelle, and I think after the completion Phase 2 it might time to consider a promotion for him. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 minute ago, USTBench said:

I've seen social media posts from Nate Baukol and what he has the kids doing looks, well...antiquated (and downright dangerous, TBH). It just looks like all the same things I did in college 20 years ago. 

I've also heard tales of extremely weak hip-flexors for a D1 football team and limited work on ROM (range of motion).

That said, it would appear from what I see of Will Ratelle's online stuff is that his philosphy much more aligned with what you'd see at a big time school nowadays, and I think that is telling. 

Combining strengh with ROM and explosive movement. 

My opinion is that the the strength coach needs to be scrutinized as intensely as the HC, maybe moreso. And there really needs to be analytical approach to everything from what type of injuries do we collectively experience the most, to what are the team deficiences. Bison strength is second-to-none, and that cannot really be debated. I think UND has something special in Ratelle, and I think after the completion Phase 2 it might time to consider a promotion for him. 

Olympic lifting is standard for college weight programs. It’s the best way to build explosiveness. Baukol also does a ton of range of motion exercises like pistol squats for example. 

[Bison06]

10 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

I believe all schools will deal with as well.. to me the timing is a bit odd.  This year NDSU has had 4 players hit the portal before the season is over.. all four of them were considered to be reasonably decent and even key contributors (Sigel, Hart, Gonnella, Sproles).. My assumption is that none of them were kicked out the door but rather chose to leave.. and did not see the value in sticking with the program through the playoffs.  If they were bad apples and you guys were happy to get rid of them then I get it.. my sense is that this was not the case.  If these guys hit the transfer portal after the playoffs I would have a different opinion.  The worst excuse is that football is suddenly too hard for these young men..

If you cant acknowledge that the timing is odd or that they were all bad apples that the team is better off without.. you should acknowledge that there might be some internal issues with the program. 

Without inside knowledge it’s impossible to know.

If you’re hope as a player is to get onto a different team, you have to be enrolled for spring semester so the timing makes sense to pull the plug now and not risk quitting halfway through the playoffs. 
 

I’m not saying it isn’t something to keep an eye on, but the timing makes sense from the players’ perspective.

[shep]

13 minutes ago, wheelsup said:

I believe all schools will deal with as well.. to me the timing is a bit odd.  This year NDSU has had 4 players hit the portal before the season is over.. all four of them were considered to be reasonably decent and even key contributors (Sigel, Hart, Gonnella, Sproles).. My assumption is that none of them were kicked out the door but rather chose to leave.. and did not see the value in sticking with the program through the playoffs.  If they were bad apples and you guys were happy to get rid of them then I get it.. my sense is that this was not the case.  If these guys hit the transfer portal after the playoffs I would have a different opinion.  The worst excuse is that football is suddenly too hard for these young men..

If you cant acknowledge that the timing is odd or that they were all bad apples that the team is better off without.. you should acknowledge that there might be some internal issues with the program. 

Sproles is headed to JMU.

 

 

[USTBench]

14 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Olympic lifting is standard for college weight programs. It’s the best way to build explosiveness. Baukol also does a ton of range of motion exercises like pistol squats for example. 

Oly lifts like snatch, clean and jerk are okay to a degree, but there is significant wear and tear, especially when frequently going heavy. Also, there isn't as much ROM with your hips as you'd think as there is almost zero lateral movement. You're rarely just running in a straight line and imposing your will from an idealic positon of power in football. Football is about awkward angles. Static holds with your hips at awkward angles, band work, and more low impact exercises where strength is being built in your hips but you're not breaking your team is also very important. Getting from a deficient position to an athletic position as quickly as possible is essential. 

Also, building up the tibalis anterior with simply walking backwards and backward sled pulls is huge for building strong knees. Nothing against oly lifts, but if your program is centered on just doing the same old oly lifts from 40 years ago, the strength world has passed you by. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, shep said:

Sproles is headed to JMU.

Epic burn. 

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Once again, not what we are talking about but your infomercial is noted

What are you talking about then?

Some conspiracy that NDSU is the East Germans or something?

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

What are you talking about then?

Some conspiracy that NDSU is the East Germans or something?

Go back to the beginning. You guys always make it about Kramer being such a hardo. 

[SlowHand]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Epic burn. 

Good riddance IMO.  He is cancer.

[UND1983]

If he can play at JMU I will lose what little respect I have left for the Sun Belt