2022 Non-UND FCS thread

[Bison Dan]

33 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Simple Dan must still be sleeping 

Hardly worth commenting on when you take some/most of it out of context.  We've had quite of few 9 man OL over the years.   I chalk most of it up to jealousy.  

[UNDColorado]

10 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Hardly worth commenting on when you take some/most of it out of context.  We've had quite of few 9 man OL over the years.   I chalk most of it up to jealousy.  

Yet here you are LOL.

[Prison_Mike]

On 10/2/2022 at 2:50 PM, Bison06 said:

Glad you’re able to recognize my speed.

A million dollar pair of legs and 10 cent fart for a brain

[homer]

45 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Hardly worth commenting on when you take some/most of it out of context.  We've had quite of few 9 man OL over the years.   I chalk most of it up to jealousy.  

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[1972]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

They constantly hammer statement number 4 and then they wonder why fan interest has gone down. 

they keep hammering it, in hopes that some how, some way , they can move up to FBS, and get their tails kicked just about every game

[Bison Dan]

12 minutes ago, 1972 said:

they keep hammering it, in hopes that some how, some way , they can move up to FBS, and get their tails kicked just about every game

Isn't that what you and everyone on this board said when we moved up to FCS.

[Kab]

Let them move up

they must make the move in all sports too

the bloviating in Fargo is unreal

Fargo, the new Detroit 

[homer]

28 minutes ago, 1972 said:

they keep hammering it, in hopes that some how, some way , they can move up to FBS, and get their tails kicked just about every game

I don’t think they get their tales kicked in just like I don’t think we would get our tails kicked in.  I think both teams win more than they lose.  Recent move up history would actually back that.  The biggest difference is the understanding that your season is just for one bowl game.  They aren’t getting any more fans or charging any more for tickets than they do now. 
 

I hope while they are working on getting into Conference USA, the remaining Dakota schools and Montana schools are trying to figure out how we can make a move together than give them the finger when they ask to come back in. 

[UND1983]

44 minutes ago, 1972 said:

they keep hammering it, in hopes that some how, some way , they can move up to FBS, and get their tails kicked just about every game

You're severely overestimating how good G5 level conferences are.  They aren't playing the SEC every week, if moving up.

[1972]

I think alot of people overestimate how much the climate changes you perspective when you have no meaningful games to play for......no body is going to choose the upper mid west, if they have other options that don't have crap climates.... that's why they lose

[The Sicatoka]

MAC vs MVFC: Final Massey Ratings (all DI CFB) from 2021:

NDSU 42 vs CMU 82
SDSU 81 vs WMU 83
UNI 101 vs NIU 93
Mo St 105 vs Toledo 95
SIU 108 vs Miami 99
USD 111 vs Ball St 109
UND 119 vs Kent 113
YSU 145 vs EMU 118
Ill St 149 vs Buffalo 129
Ind St 160 vs Ohio 141
WIU 168 vs BGSU 151
Murray St 186 vs Akron 179

Murray State isn't MVFC quite yet, but I needed a 12th team.

The Sagarin ranking comparisons are similar (MVFC vs MAC):

NDSU 38 vs CMU 69
SDSU 71 vs WMU 72
UNI 99 vs Toledo 80
MO St 103 vs Miami 87
SIU 109 vs NIU 93
USD 117 vs Ball St 104
UND 119 vs EMU 107
YSU 143 vs Kent 108
Ill St 158 vs Buffalo 125
Ind St 169 vs Ohio 132
WIU 179 vs BGSU 153
Murray St 191 vs Akron 181

The MVFC right now is the "western MAC", without the FBS label (and revenues and expenses). It you pulled in the top of the BSC and the top of the MVFC to a new western FBS conference it'd be MAC-level Day 1. 

[The Sicatoka]

5 minutes ago, 1972 said:

I think alot of people overestimate how much the climate changes you perspective when you have no meaningful games to play for......no body is going to choose the upper mid west, if they have other options that don't have crap climates.... that's why they lose

Out of footprint of the conference isn't a big deal if it's just football, but when you're traveling all your teams 800 miles to the nearest opponent it adds up. And that's before you're asking other teams to travel to the upper Midwest in January. 

See: UND in BSC

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, Bison Dan said:

Isn't that what you and everyone on this board said when we moved up to FCS.

The difference between FBS and FCS is bigger than the difference between D-2 and FCS.

And the gap is even bigger between FBS G5 and FBS P5.

You would go to a bowl game every year, but not a New Year's Day Six Bowl and definitely not the CFP.

It's a trade-off for sure.

[geaux_sioux]

As delusional as Fargo is, you have to hand it to them, they’ve had success. At least they’re always swinging for the fences. We could learn from that.

[fightingsioux4life]

15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

As delusional as Fargo is, you have to hand it to them, they’ve had success. At least they’re always swinging for the fences. We could learn from that.

It is always good to think big and aim high.

[gundy1124]

19 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

As delusional as Fargo is, you have to hand it to them, they’ve had success. At least they’re always swinging for the fences. We could learn from that.

but, but.......Look at our compliance with Title IX, second to none!! Look at our team GPA!!  And, our smart but cautious approach on NLI!!(needs more research)  Plus, our coaches focus on the kids instead of getting bogged down on spending side money on outside motivational speakers with magic potions!!!  We proudly strive to be average the right way!!

[gundy1124]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

MAC vs MVFC: Final Massey Ratings (all DI CFB) from 2021:

NDSU 42 vs CMU 82
SDSU 81 vs WMU 83
UNI 101 vs NIU 93
Mo St 105 vs Toledo 95
SIU 108 vs Miami 99
USD 111 vs Ball St 109
UND 119 vs Kent 113
YSU 145 vs EMU 118
Ill St 149 vs Buffalo 129
Ind St 160 vs Ohio 141
WIU 168 vs BGSU 151
Murray St 186 vs Akron 179

Murray State isn't MVFC quite yet, but I needed a 12th team.

The Sagarin ranking comparisons are similar (MVFC vs MAC):

NDSU 38 vs CMU 69
SDSU 71 vs WMU 72
UNI 99 vs Toledo 80
MO St 103 vs Miami 87
SIU 109 vs NIU 93
USD 117 vs Ball St 104
UND 119 vs EMU 107
YSU 143 vs Kent 108
Ill St 158 vs Buffalo 125
Ind St 169 vs Ohio 132
WIU 179 vs BGSU 153
Murray St 191 vs Akron 181

The MVFC right now is the "western MAC", without the FBS label (and revenues and expenses). It you pulled in the top of the BSC and the top of the MVFC to a new western FBS conference it'd be MAC-level Day 1. 

It would take an entire year, maybe 18 months of FBS number of scholarships to catch up with the MAC!!  I don't know if we're willing to wait that long.

[1972]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The difference between FBS and FCS is bigger than the difference between D-2 and FCS.

And the gap is even bigger between FBS G5 and FBS P5.

You would go to a bowl game every year, but not a New Year's Day Six Bowl and definitely not the CFP.

It's a trade-off for sure.

thats the general direction i was going with my comment....how much interest from prospective recruits would you actually garner playing in an after-thought league, and playing in the "stump grinders union bowl" 3 weeks before new years?

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

Isn't that what you and everyone on this board said when we moved up to FCS.

I'm sure you would do fine, but I think you're underestimating the importance of regional rivalries and the fcs playoff format in what it means for fan engagement and recruiting.  Especially if SDSU didn't move with you, and they don't appear to be interested, NDSU moving to FBS would have a lot of similarities to Gopher hockey moving to the Big Ten.  They won the first like 4-5 Big Ten Championships, but it just didn't mean as much if they weren't playing and beating teams that had fans they could brag about this to.  The gophers probably lost half their fan support by swapping FCS and D2 schools for Big Ten schools.  Geography and history matter a ton.

Part of the reason NDSU gets the recruits they do is because of the FCS playoff format and the opportunity to win a championship... there are plenty of other good schools that are both FBS and can compete for a lower end bowl game.  Why would fans care that much about the regular season or post season when the players themselves would rather not play then risk getting hurt?  FBS bowl games are meaningless now that there is a FBS championship.  Enjoy having a meaningful post season once every ten years, if you're lucky.  Bison fandom and traditions are built off of trips to frisco and championship success, and that all goes away if fans have only a couple of weeks to plan for a trip to the Idaho Potato Bowl.

In regard to scheduling complaints they have now, NDSU could choose to schedule better home games, but they would rather play Drake then schedule a home and home with better programs.  Put Jackson State on blast and tell me Deion would publicly back down from scheduling that.

[N of GF]

8 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

but, but.......Look at our compliance with Title IX, second to none!! Look at our team GPA!!  And, our smart but cautious approach on NLI!!(needs more research)  Plus, our coaches focus on the kids instead of getting bogged down on spending side money on outside motivational speakers with magic potions!!!  We proudly strive to be average the right way!!

Right?! It's like they think they're running an education institution!

Can people around here quit bitching about "Chaves taking a wait and see approach to NIL." He has to take a wait and see approach. The school cannot be involved in NIL deals. By NCAA regulation he must "wait and see" what other people do about it.

[nodak651]

4 minutes ago, N of GF said:

Right?! It's like they think they're running an education institution!

Can people around here quit bitching about "Chaves taking a wait and see approach to NIL." He has to take a wait and see approach. The school cannot be involved in NIL deals. By NCAA regulation he must "wait and see" what other people do about it.

False, setting up programs with companies like opendorse is perfectly legit.

Schools like CC, Miami, Mankato, Omaha, South Dakota, Western Michigan, and Youngstown are already working with them.  Meanwhile, UND's official website literally says that paying a player for an autograph is against NCAA rules.

[Big Green]

33 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

but, but.......Look at our compliance with Title IX, second to none!! Look at our team GPA!!  And, our smart but cautious approach on NLI!!(needs more research)  Plus, our coaches focus on the kids instead of getting bogged down on spending side money on outside motivational speakers with magic potions!!!  We proudly strive to be average the right way!!

With NIL every athlete can go make as much money as companies are willing to pay them.  The school should have little to do with it.  The Athlete should go market themselves or the business should reach out to them.

 

[bison73]

3 hours ago, 1972 said:

they keep hammering it, in hopes that some how, some way , they can move up to FBS, and get their tails kicked just about every game

Thats what this board was saying when we moved up to FCS.

[geaux_sioux]

13 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Thats what this board was saying when we moved up to FCS.

I’m sure you can’t see the difference between the two either 

[UND1983]

9 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Thats what this board was saying when we moved up to FCS.

No, no it wasn't.  For the 100th time, people were talking about the other sports more than FB. 

It was misguided, however, as they acted like moving up to D1 means they are playing Duke every week in basketball etc.  Instead it was the Summit League.  

Anyone with a brain knew that going FCS for football wasn't that massive of a jump.  Just like going from FCS to G5.  

When Bison fans latch on to something it really takes on a life of its own.  It quite impressive. Like 30K at the Metrodome for the UM game. And "nobody at FBS level will even answer our calls"