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2 hours ago, Old Fella said:

Was asking if there were any takers from this message board who are advocating opening up the country,

I'm still socially interacting for work.

If there was some UND hockey games this weekend. 

I'd be there.

Did you not hear the part where they said you're more than likely going to the Corona anyways.

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39 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

You said this flu season.

CDC estimates 22K to 59K deaths this flu season........ we'll go with the median of 41K deaths.

Average length of flu season is 13-15 weeks.....we'll go with 15 weeks or 105 days.

41000 ÷ 105 = 390 deaths per day

 

Now even if we take the time from this CDC estimate: October 1 thru March 14 that's still around 250 deaths per day. 

Apologies. I misquoted the information. We'll pass the average number of deaths per day during the 2017 calendar year (the last year they have specific numbers for).

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43 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

You said this flu season.

CDC estimates 22K to 59K deaths this flu season........ we'll go with the median of 41K deaths.

Average length of flu season is 13-15 weeks.....we'll go with 15 weeks or 105 days.

41000 ÷ 105 = 390 deaths per day

 

Now even if we take the time from this CDC estimate: October 1 thru March 14 that's still around 250 deaths per day. 

Yet the MSM keeps trying their best to fuel the panic.  All of the media outlets should be required to have a split screen......with the reporter on one side and Oxbow on the other side just holding up signs with real facts putting this Corona stuff in perspective.  Country would be mostly back open in a week.   

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2 hours ago, Redneksioux said:

But the flu is worse. 

Here’s an idea. Let’s quarantine all the anti vaxxers and those that want to be social butterflies together and see how this thing plays out.

Or those with pre-existing conditions can quarantine themselves.... You've already admitted you really only care about yourself and your family anyway.

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1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said:

Or those with pre-existing conditions can quarantine themselves.... You've already admitted you really only care about yourself and your family anyway.

My intention is not to generate fear or validate the quarantines or whatever, but  that wouldn't work.  It is very clear in NY that we are not matching what happened in China. 

Within the past few days we've seen several patients, young (20-45) with zero pre-existing conditions tank very quickly, requiring intubation and blood pressure support.  Over 50% of our patients admitted for covid are under 50.  Some have pre-existing conditions but many without.

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10 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Or those with pre-existing conditions can quarantine themselves.... You've already admitted you really only care about yourself and your family anyway.

Sorry bud but you don’t have a clue. I never admitted I only care about myself and my family. If you want to see those that only care about themselves check out the social butterflies allowing the virus to spread while our hospital systems are overwhelmed.

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Minnesota governor: we're not going to shelter in place cause eventually 40 to 80% of you will get it.

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Moderator: Please remove hockey from the title of this thread. This is politics and it's disgusting.

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47 minutes ago, keikla said:

My intention is not to generate fear or validate the quarantines or whatever, but  that wouldn't work.  It is very clear in NY that we are not matching what happened in China. 

Within the past few days we've seen several patients, young (20-45) with zero pre-existing conditions tank very quickly, requiring intubation and blood pressure support.  Over 50% of our patients admitted for covid are under 50.  Some have pre-existing conditions but many without.

Are you trying the malaria Zpack combo?  It’s not evidence based yet, but battlefield reports by 3 different MD sources are showing success on a small scale.  

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1 hour ago, southpaw said:

152.5 for Flu and Pneumonia according to the CDC.

 

53 minutes ago, southpaw said:

Apologies. I misquoted the information. We'll pass the average number of deaths per day during the 2017 calendar year (the last year they have specific numbers for).

“Misquoted.”  

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2 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Are you trying the malaria Zpack combo?  It’s not evidenced based yet, but battlefield reports by 3 different MD sources are showing success on a small scale.  

We are on a case by case basis, though not because of the study.  Many of the patients are showing evidence of concurrent pneumonia.  We frequently use azith for community acquired pneumonia, all the moreso when there is suspicion of it being an atypical pathogen. 

Supposedly we're getting 500 tabs of hydroxychloroquine from Teva on wednesday.  Enough to treat 50 patients.  We have more than 50 covid patients admitted currently, and who knows how many to come.  So that continues to be restricted for the most severe cases.

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4 minutes ago, keikla said:

We are on a case by case basis, though not because of the study.  Many of the patients are showing evidence of concurrent pneumonia.  We frequently use azith for community acquired pneumonia, all the moreso when there is suspicion of it being an atypical pathogen. 

Supposedly we're getting 500 tabs of hydroxychloroquine from Teva on wednesday.  Enough to treat 50 patients.  We have more than 50 covid patients admitted currently, and who knows how many to come.  So that continues to be restricted for the most severe cases.

Keep up the fight!  

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For those that don't like numbers......if Italy were to not have a single new case or death moving forward the US would need 18000 new cases with 30% death rate, THIRTY, of those cases to match Italy's numbers as of now. 

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And also, if there are any HCP who are bored... NY passed an executive order that any providers (including nurses, RTs, PAs, NPs, etc) who are licensed in any state and in good standing can practice in NY without risk of penalty for not having a NY license.

Also, all liability suspended except for gross negligence. 

So come on out and enjoy the fun!

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1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

For those that don't like numbers......if Italy were to not have a single new case or death moving forward the US would need 18000 new cases with 30% death rate, THIRTY, of those cases to match Italy's numbers as of now. 

That sure hasn't stopped Daily Mail from pushing the panic button...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146515/U-S-potential-coronavirus-epicenter-says-WHO.html

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At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona?  Those will last long past when Corona is done. 

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5 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

 


At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona?  Those will longer long past when Corona is done. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/bankers-pledge-mortgage-help-but-want-billions/ar-BB11B5ge?li=BBnbfcN

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1 hour ago, keikla said:

And also, if there are any HCP who are bored... NY passed an executive order that any providers (including nurses, RTs, PAs, NPs, etc) who are licensed in any state and in good standing can practice in NY without risk of penalty for not having a NY license.

Also, all liability suspended except for gross negligence. 

So come on out and enjoy the fun!

Where in NY are you?  

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2 hours ago, keikla said:

We are on a case by case basis, though not because of the study.  Many of the patients are showing evidence of concurrent pneumonia.  We frequently use azith for community acquired pneumonia, all the moreso when there is suspicion of it being an atypical pathogen. 

Supposedly we're getting 500 tabs of hydroxychloroquine from Teva on wednesday.  Enough to treat 50 patients.  We have more than 50 covid patients admitted currently, and who knows how many to come.  So that continues to be restricted for the most severe cases.

Hang in there

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5 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Where in NY are you?  

I work in both Westchester county, which is just north of the Bronx, and Rockland county, which is just across the river.

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41 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona?  Those will last long past when Corona is done. 

They don’t.  Those numbers will be pushed under the rug.  However, if gun deaths go up, that narrative will be pushed pedal to the metal!

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14 coronavirus deaths in the US in last 24 hours.

184 deaths from drug overdose in the last 24 hours in this country (average per day from last year's death total).

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10 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

They don’t.  Those numbers will be pushed under the rug.  However, if gun deaths go up, that narrative will be pushed pedal to the metal!

No need to get defensive or paranoid.

We like you and your friends.

"Everyone is entitled to their opinion/Even if it is wrong.   (Old Fella)

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23 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

14 coronavirus deaths in the US in last 24 hours.

184 deaths from drug overdose in the last 24 hours in this country (average per day from last year's death total).

And one from self-medicating with fish tank additive.

my buddy was like “Trump said it works”...

my response was...non-FDA and non-pharmacist prepared and non-prescriber monitored.  
 

he replied,” but same basic chemical Trump said”

I asked him if he thought heroine from the corner was as safe as two Percocet prescribed by his doctor and picked up at CVS...same basic chemical

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