Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 For those that don't like numbers......if Italy were to not have a single new case or death moving forward the US would need 18000 new cases with 30% death rate, THIRTY, of those cases to match Italy's numbers as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said: For those that don't like numbers......if Italy were to not have a single new case or death moving forward the US would need 18000 new cases with 30% death rate, THIRTY, of those cases to match Italy's numbers as of now. That sure hasn't stopped Daily Mail from pushing the panic button... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146515/U-S-potential-coronavirus-epicenter-says-WHO.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona? Those will last long past when Corona is done. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDMOORHEAD Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, TheFlop said: At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona? Those will longer long past when Corona is done. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/bankers-pledge-mortgage-help-but-want-billions/ar-BB11B5ge?li=BBnbfcN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, keikla said: And also, if there are any HCP who are bored... NY passed an executive order that any providers (including nurses, RTs, PAs, NPs, etc) who are licensed in any state and in good standing can practice in NY without risk of penalty for not having a NY license. Also, all liability suspended except for gross negligence. So come on out and enjoy the fun! Where in NY are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 2 hours ago, keikla said: We are on a case by case basis, though not because of the study. Many of the patients are showing evidence of concurrent pneumonia. We frequently use azith for community acquired pneumonia, all the moreso when there is suspicion of it being an atypical pathogen. Supposedly we're getting 500 tabs of hydroxychloroquine from Teva on wednesday. Enough to treat 50 patients. We have more than 50 covid patients admitted currently, and who knows how many to come. So that continues to be restricted for the most severe cases. Hang in there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, TheFlop said: At what point do mental health considerations come into play....the damage of increased stress and suicides caused by the joblessness/financial crash as a result of actions taken to combat Corona? Those will last long past when Corona is done. They don’t. Those numbers will be pushed under the rug. However, if gun deaths go up, that narrative will be pushed pedal to the metal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 14 coronavirus deaths in the US in last 24 hours. 184 deaths from drug overdose in the last 24 hours in this country (average per day from last year's death total). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Fella Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: They don’t. Those numbers will be pushed under the rug. However, if gun deaths go up, that narrative will be pushed pedal to the metal! No need to get defensive or paranoid. We like you and your friends. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion/Even if it is wrong. (Old Fella) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 23 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: 14 coronavirus deaths in the US in last 24 hours. 184 deaths from drug overdose in the last 24 hours in this country (average per day from last year's death total). And one from self-medicating with fish tank additive. my buddy was like “Trump said it works”... my response was...non-FDA and non-pharmacist prepared and non-prescriber monitored. he replied,” but same basic chemical Trump said” I asked him if he thought heroine from the corner was as safe as two Percocet prescribed by his doctor and picked up at CVS...same basic chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 32 minutes ago, Old Fella said: No need to get defensive or paranoid. We like you and your friends. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion/Even if it is wrong. (Old Fella) At least the coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours is finally more than those children killed by abuse/neglect on a daily average so that "fact" will fit your narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post iramurphy Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, keikla said: I work in both Westchester county, which is just north of the Bronx, and Rockland county, which is just across the river. The epicenter. No reason for any of us in Northern Mn to feel sorry for ourselves. My daughter and family are hunkered down in Mamaronek. Take care of yourself and thanks for what you are doing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Talked to a gal today who owns two businesses. Shes had to lay off people at both. She called Job Service and they said they cant collect unemployment if they test positive for Coronavirus. She said well I guess I'm doing them a favor by laying them off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, Cratter said: Talked to a gal today who owns two businesses. Shes had to lay off people at both. She called Job Service and they said they cant collect unemployment if they test positive for Coronavirus. She said well I guess I'm doing them a favor by laying them off now. My two best friends own and operate small businesses in MT and WA. Both laid off half their employees yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jdub27 Posted March 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said: At least the coronavirus deaths in the last 24 hours is finally more than those children killed by abuse/neglect on a daily average so that "fact" will fit your narrative. You've obviously made sure it is very clear you don't agree with the steps/precautions being put in place. I'm honestly curious what your alternative plan of attack would have been and what you would have deemed acceptable as collateral damage? And understand that if you're wrong, the cat is out of the bag and there isn't a do-over on containing it. Or maybe you're just venting? It is an incredibly tough situation for everyone but continuing to criticize the experts who are leading this (or trying to) isn't going to magically make it better. 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: My two best friends own and operate small businesses in MT and WA. Both laid off half their employees yesterday. That’s too bad. What types of businesses? Can you give us some details? Does anyone have any stories of how this is is affecting local businesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, jdub27 said: You've obviously made sure it is very clear you don't agree with the steps/precautions being put in place. I'm honestly curious what your alternative plan of attack would have been and what you would have deemed acceptable as collateral damage? And understand that if you're wrong, the cat is out of the bag and there isn't a do-over on containing it. Or maybe you're just venting? It is an incredibly tough situation for everyone but continuing to criticize the experts who are leading this (or tring to) isn't going to magically make it better. I'm just pointing out statistically this country has many other societal ills that take lives....many more as of today. If you want to believe this country is going to have 100000 lives taken from coronavirus in 4 weeks like the "experts" keep parroting that's up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: That’s too bad. What types of businesses? Can you give us some details? Does anyone have any stories of how this is is affecting local businesses? Service industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: I'm just pointing out statistically this country has many other societal ills that take lives....many more as of today. If you want to believe this country is going to have 100000 lives taken from coronavirus in 4 weeks like the "experts" keep parroting that's up to you. That's fine and I don't disagree, but I'm genuinely curious on what alternative you would propose for the current issue? We can worry about enforcing nanny state laws after this is done with to address the other problems. There is apparently something different in how the experts (who see all the same statistics you keep pointing out) are viewing this vs. other things, so let's take worry about the one right in front of us right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 I think the challenge is that we haven’t seen the true carnage of this virus, so the Health numbers at this point are far from overwhelming, while the economic numbers On the other hand are devastating. From a purely logical perspective if 4% of those afflicted end up in serious/critical condition and this virus Afflicts with symptoms just 10% of the US population (call that 33M), then we have 1.3M people needing hospital support...if 10% of those people die, we’re at 130,000. Those would be fairly conservative estimates. If each death was worth $1M and each surviving hospitalized person was worth $200k, then the break even economic impact is $364T 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Service industry Can you elaborate why he had to lay off half of his employees in Montana working in the service industry? How did the Coronavirus force him to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Just now, Redneksioux said: Can you elaborate why he had to lay off half of his employees in Montana working in the service industry? How did the Coronavirus force him to do that? I would venture to guess that people aren’t buying the services in this environment of social distancing and self quarantine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: I would venture to guess that people aren’t buying the services in this environment of social distancing and self quarantine Electrician friend of mine is dealing with that issue. Few residential service calls and a lot of businesses he normally works with are closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 CA closed construction...huge impact on small business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: CA closed construction...huge impact on small business Hopefully this can mitigate some effect? https://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2020/03/20/california-construction-workers-prepare-to-mobilize-for-coronavirus-surge-response-1268583 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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