dynato Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 43 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Maybe the vulnerable need to be quarantined while the rest of the country moves on until a vaccine is found, etc? This was suggested a while ago, but it was laughed at as being unrealistic to quarantine 1/3 of the USA population until an unknown date. 2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: I'll ask this to all three of you. Softball question........give me just 5, although there are more, just 5 causes of death in NYC that resulted in more than 304 deaths in the age group 45 and under in the past 3 months? Seems like there are a number in this thread that see this crisis as a one trick pony and are comfortable with the current lockdown measures until fall or even through the year. PM MafiaMan and ask him how this has worked out for him and his family. Softball answer is that using data from January and February deflates your numbers significantly considering there was only single digit cases. Based on the past month of full data, Covid is the #1 killer of residents in NYC by about 25%. Total Deaths under 65 occur at a rate of 190 per 100,000 in 2016. Deaths from COVID under 65 occur at a rate of 72 per 100,000 in 2020. #2 is Malignant Neoplasms at 57.5 #3 is heart disease at 40.0 Page 17 is the reference.https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2016sum.pdfhttps://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download This does not include hospitalization rates, which are another monster for covid.
UND1983 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 39 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: There are a number of "experts" that subscribe to this theory. But then again, the "experts" have been struggling with this virus so my post is just more layers to the onion.
Siouxphan27 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Kab said: Look at the raw milk being dumped why not use this, make cheese and use it next year at schools, fruit and vegetables being left in the fields because of low demand ? Can’t be frozen for schools. Would be a great idea. But the time, money and risk involved to figure out the logistics of how to reroute these perishables, and the unknown timeline of how long the shut down will last is unfortunately resulting in a lot of wasted raw food products.
yzerman19 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, dynato said: This was suggested a while ago, but it was laughed at as being unrealistic to quarantine 1/3 of the USA population until an unknown date. Softball answer is that using data from January and February deflates your numbers significantly considering there was only single digit cases. Based on the past month of full data, Covid is the #1 killer of residents in NYC by about 25%. Total Deaths under 65 occur at a rate of 190 per 100,000 in 2016. Deaths from COVID under 65 occur at a rate of 72 per 100,000 in 2020. #2 is Malignant Neoplasms at 57.5 #3 is heart disease at 40.0 Page 17 is the reference.https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/vs/2016sum.pdfhttps://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download This does not include hospitalization rates, which are another monster for covid. Different data point from Worldometer shows this morning’s NY deaths per 1M due to covid at 552/1M across all ages.
dynato Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, yzerman19 said: Different data point from Worldometer shows this morning’s NY deaths per 1M due to covid at 552/1M across all ages. This is New York City specific data, not New York state as a whole. I could not find information on prior mortality rates after 2016, or broken down for specifically the 45 and under age bracket. However, it still allowed for the closest 1 to 1 comparison on mortality rates for the entire age grouping of 65 and under.
yzerman19 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Perhaps the nuance is the city vs the broader state of NY?
Kab Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Would be nice if each state was posting total deaths each day from all causes births each day
Shawn-O Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kab said: Would be nice if each state was posting total deaths each day from all causes births each day Many Christmas and New Year's babies this year...
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 41 minutes ago, Shawn-O said: Many Christmas and New Year's babies this year... Born to parents with no jobs...
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Would also be nice if they reported the people who died from COVID-19 with underlying health conditions and how many didn't. Would really put it in perspective.
dynato Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 35 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said: Would also be nice if they reported the people who died from COVID-19 with underlying health conditions and how many didn't. Would really put it in perspective. According to the CDC, 90% of adults hospitalized for COVID had an underlying health condition. This is data for the entirety of march. I couldn't find info on deaths broken down into healthy vs underlying health conditions.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6915e3.htmhttps://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/04/15/coronavirus-risk-90-patients-had-underlying-conditions/2962721001/ As for perspective, about half of all american adults have at least one underlying health condition. https://nationalhealthcouncil.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/AboutChronicDisease.pdfhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5876976/
MafiaMan Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Vegas_Sioux said: Just because the NHL knows it’s a excellent viable option doesn’t mean the ivy towered ones in Indianapolis can see that. I suppose they would have demanded some snazzy new banners be covered up...
geaux_sioux Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Right.........because 0.0055% of all NYC residents 45 years old and younger have died from COVID so far. Least that's a higher percentage than have died from murder in NYC in that age range so far this year. Are you actually statistically illiterate?
Oxbow6 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Are you actually statistically illiterate? No
Popular Post UND1983 Posted April 15, 2020 Popular Post Posted April 15, 2020 I really wish it wasn't an election year. Because things are going too well around the country, yes there are 50 states, now the new narrative is there's going to be a "second wave" so we need to stay home. If you guys can't figure out that certain groups are trying to delay this as long as possible then nobody can help you. 8
bison73 Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 11 hours ago, southpaw said: I was curious why all of sudden you're only concerned about cases for people under 45. A couple of weeks ago, you were touting numbers for people under 65. Numbers arent going to be valid. Cuomo admitted that of the 11k deaths in NY they can only say 6k are for sure covid. 1
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 I think we can dispense with daily briefings, pressers, and numbers. Data fatigue is real. Even for experts, trying to monitor this information on such a micro level is absurd, and to extract anything meaningful is impossible. It's damn near reckless to distribute it to lay people. 1
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 5 hours ago, MafiaMan said: Born to parents with no jobs... Pushing for a shelter in place into next year?
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Burgum is a tool. Had a chance to do the smart thing today and caved. When the #$*% can we get back to living? Which aspect of this "life" is even worth saving? Let people choose, FFS. 1
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 We are prisoners. No crime, no charge, no trial, indefinite imprisonment. RIP USA. 1
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: Burgum is a tool. Had a chance to do the smart thing today and caved. When the #$*% can we get back to living? Which aspect of this "life" is even worth saving? Let people choose, FFS. We are actually with a few states with some freedom.
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 What does 10 days even do? What could possibly happen to the numbers in 10 days? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Idiots.
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 15, 2020 Posted April 15, 2020 Burgum just peed on the Constitution. The America so many fought for and of which so many were proud is dead. How shameful.
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