Who would UND hire?

[sioux24/7]

15 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Oh. My. God. This thread is embarrassing.  Argue all you want, but really both college hockey and FCS football are niche sports at the national level.  They are what we make of them.

And I LOVE both of them. Along with Summit League basketball!

[Frozen4sioux]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You’re delusional and just trying to convince yourself of your own farfetched reasoning. We all know what you’re trying to say, but it’s apparently impossible for you to realize the insignificance of it.

NCAA hockey has a single classification and lacks diversity because it’s not overall popular.  NCAA football has multiple classifications because there’s so many institutions supporting it - it’s diverse and incredibly popular.

UND is in the second highest classification of NCAA football and the only classification available (and needed) for NCAA hockey. The highest NCAA classification of hockey is no where near as popular monetarily or attendance-wise as the highest classification of NCAA football. NCAA hockey is, however, comparable to the second highest classification of NCAA football. 
 

Keep talking yourself in circles though to convince your delusional self otherwise.

 

Well no.. WRONG.

NCAA offers 3 Divisions of Men's Ice Hockey

Divison 1

Divison 2 Currently no schools choose to compete, and NCAA does not currently offer a championship in D2

Divison 3   So this is the secondary best division of NCAA hockey = FCS Football

Div 1

Hockey: UMtc, Boston University, Michigan, UND 

Football: Alabama, Miami, Texas, Michigan Notre Dame

The second division.... 

Hockey: St. Norbort, Univ. Wisco-Stevens Point, Adrian, Norwich

Football: SDSU, Pittsburgh, NDSU, Jackson State, UND

 

Again a kid can't go D1 Hockey he ends up in the second division.... it's labeled  "D3"

A kid can't go D1 in Football he ends up in the second division........... its labeled "FCS"

 

Labels don't matter. Quit moving the goalposts to fit your ego

Get over yourself... its D2.

 

[Mama Sue]

59 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Oh. My. God. This thread is embarrassing.  Argue all you want, but really both college hockey and FCS football are niche sports at the national level.  They are what we make of them.

Almost makes you wish for the Bison…at least that wasn’t in-fighting.

[UND-FB-FAN]

48 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Well no.. WRONG.

NCAA offers 3 Divisions of Men's Ice Hockey

Divison 1

Divison 2 Currently no schools choose to compete, and NCAA does not currently offer a championship in D2

Divison 3   So this is the secondary best division of NCAA hockey = FCS Football

Div 1

Hockey: UMtc, Boston University, Michigan, UND 

Football: Alabama, Miami, Texas, Michigan Notre Dame

The second division.... 

Hockey: St. Norbort, Univ. Wisco-Stevens Point, Adrian, Norwich

Football: SDSU, Pittsburgh, NDSU, Jackson State, UND

 

Again a kid can't go D1 Hockey he ends up in the second division.... it's labeled  "D3"

A kid can't go D1 in Football he ends up in the second division........... its labeled "FCS"

 

Labels don't matter. Quit moving the goalposts to fit your ego

Get over yourself... its D2.

 

Well no … WRONG. FCS is not division II, as numerous posters have explained but you’re too ignorant to appreciate it.
 

No schools chose to compete in division 2 hockey? What does that tell you? What a joke. Laughable that you defend such a joke of a sport. 
 

“St. Norbort, Univ. Wisco-Stevens Point, Adrian, Norwich” … are you serious?

You think that’s comparable to football from the University of North Dakota, North Dakota State, South Dakota State, University of Montana, Montana State University, etc. ?

You’re delusional. 

[Sioux>Bison]

45 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Well no.. WRONG.

NCAA offers 3 Divisions of Men's Ice Hockey

Divison 1

Divison 2 Currently no schools choose to compete, and NCAA does not currently offer a championship in D2

Divison 3   So this is the secondary best division of NCAA hockey = FCS Football

Div 1

Hockey: UMtc, Boston University, Michigan, UND 

Football: Alabama, Miami, Texas, Michigan Notre Dame

The second division.... 

Hockey: St. Norbort, Univ. Wisco-Stevens Point, Adrian, Norwich

Football: SDSU, Pittsburgh, NDSU, Jackson State, UND

 

Again a kid can't go D1 Hockey he ends up in the second division.... it's labeled  "D3"

A kid can't go D1 in Football he ends up in the second division........... its labeled "FCS"

 

Labels don't matter. Quit moving the goalposts to fit your ego

Get over yourself... its D2.

 

Pretty sad the biggest team in the state is a D2 program….. embarrassing to all the other D1 sports……

[BAT67]

Can anyone tell me what the oc and the DC make along with Bubba.

And is the ss.com fundraising really a necessity to get some of these items.

[siouxweet]

Wonder if this same argument is going on at Duke between the football and basketball programs fan bases.

[JohnboyND7]

Im confused, when did Pittsburgh join FCS?

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, siouxweet said:

Wonder if this same argument is going on at Duke between the football and basketball programs fan bases.

Well Duke is 3-1 and Kansas is 4-0 this year, so I doubt it. And although those football programs are definitely 2nd fiddle to their school’s basketball programs, at least their athletic departments actively look to try find the right coach. They recognize the importance of program leadership in winning and cultivating a fan base. Kansas with Lance Leipold looks to be finally heading the right direction. Duke with Mike Elko doesn’t look too bad either. 
 

Whereas at UND, the administration doesn’t even try to improve football. Keep 9+ years of mediocrity not only together, but extend it aimlessly? They could at least try hide the fact they only care to fund hockey. The apathy and ignorance towards football and basketball at UND is gut wrenching - worst DI collegiate athletic model in the country until things change.
 

And you wonder why folks with dollars to give would rather just hold on to it?

[90siouxfan]

Be bold!  Josh Krivarchka

[Sioux>Bison]

It could be worse if we had hired Bob Neilson…….

[farce poobah]

Wow!

UND loses its first game to an FCS opponent this season and a thread discussing football coaching staff gets almost 200 new posts.

Most schools would kill for that kind of passion in their fan base.

[siouxkid12]

11 hours ago, Frozen4sioux said:

Well no.. WRONG.

NCAA offers 3 Divisions of Men's Ice Hockey

Divison 1

Divison 2 Currently no schools choose to compete, and NCAA does not currently offer a championship in D2

Divison 3   So this is the secondary best division of NCAA hockey = FCS Football

Div 1

Hockey: UMtc, Boston University, Michigan, UND 

Football: Alabama, Miami, Texas, Michigan Notre Dame

The second division.... 

Hockey: St. Norbort, Univ. Wisco-Stevens Point, Adrian, Norwich

Football: SDSU, Pittsburgh, NDSU, Jackson State, UND

 

Again a kid can't go D1 Hockey he ends up in the second division.... it's labeled  "D3"

A kid can't go D1 in Football he ends up in the second division........... its labeled "FCS"

 

Labels don't matter. Quit moving the goalposts to fit your ego

Get over yourself... its D2.

 

 You are the one moving the goalpost to fit your tiny ego. As I and many others have explained to you before ALL SPORTS AT UND ARE D1. We all know that football isn't at the top of D1 but it also isn't considered D2 because the NCAA has a classification for D2 and UND is not in it. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend it? 

I bet your sole purpose of this argument is to degrade NDSU's success in football and it also comes at our schools expense.

[Dustin]

8 hours ago, siouxweet said:

Wonder if this same argument is going on at Duke between the football and basketball programs fan bases.

Or any of the heavy hitters in MBB with FBS football, for that matter - Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky.

[Dustin]

3 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

degrade NDSU's success in football and it also comes at our schools expense

I know a lot of UND fans who do this, and it pi$$es me off because, like you say, it's also a dig on UND FB.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, farce poobah said:

Wow!

UND loses its first game to an FCS opponent this season and a thread discussing football coaching staff gets almost 200 new posts.

Most schools would kill for that kind of passion in their fan base.

There’s definitely some passion for football at UND, despite what some might think, just need the right athletic department setup to fully unlock it. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Or any of the heavy hitters in MBB with FBS football, for that matter - Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky.

See above post. Those institutions still have FB success - actually, Duke, Kansas, North Carolina and Kentucky have very good FB teams this year (two are 4-0 and two are 3-1). Difference? Active athletic departments to find the right leadership for the program - not afraid to find someone different if it’s just not working. 

[nodak651]

19 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

 You are the one moving the goalpost to fit your tiny ego. As I and many others have explained to you before ALL SPORTS AT UND ARE D1. We all know that football isn't at the top of D1 but it also isn't considered D2 because the NCAA has a classification for D2 and UND is not in it. Why is it so hard for you to comprehend it? 

I bet your sole purpose of this argument is to degrade NDSU's success in football and it also comes at our schools expense.

His first couple sentences are also both contradictory and wrong.  NE10 runs a D2 hockey league.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 minutes ago, Dustin said:

I know a lot of UND fans who do this, and it pi$$es me off because, like you say, it's also a dig on UND FB.  

Proves the point there’s “hockey only fans”.

UND’s athletic department set up is unlike any other in the country - they have put all there eggs in one basket. Trying to make it big time while emphasizing hockey and overlooking the two most popular collegiate sports in the country (FB, BB). 
 

All you have to do is look at the immense growth NDSU has had over the past decade to know what the region really cares about. Many of those “NDSU fans” weren’t NDSU fans 15 years ago, but with the changing landscape, they’ve all gravitated to the school that funds the sports people care about (yes-even in North Dakota people love football and basketball - who knew??).

[siouxkid12]

7 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Proves the point there’s “hockey only fans”.

UND’s athletic department set up is unlike any other in the country - they have put all there eggs in one basket. Trying to make it big time while emphasizing hockey and overlooking the two most popular collegiate sports in the country (FB, BB). 
 

All you have to do is look at the immense growth NDSU has had over the past decade to know what the region really cares about. Many of those “NDSU fans” weren’t NDSU fans 15 years ago, but with the changing landscape, they’ve all gravitated to the school that funds the sports people care about (yes-even in North Dakota people love football and basketball - who knew??).

You are not wrong but NDSU is doing the same thing but with football as they have put all there eggs in one basket (football) because thats all they really have. UND is in a unique spot where they could have two big programs be contenders each year (hockey and football). 

I hate to say this but to me the hockey program isn't set up by the athletic department, its set up and directed by the Engelstad foundation/REA. 

[Dustin]

5 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND’s athletic department set up is unlike any other in the country - they have put all there eggs in one basket. Trying to make it big time while emphasizing hockey and overlooking the two most popular collegiate sports in the country (FB, BB). 

Don't take this as me defending that UND is doing the right thing by being set up this way, but it's kind of hard to ignore the $100M donation (and repeat smaller donations) meant specifically for that sport.  I don't like biting the hands that feed us, but in a sense, the Engelstads are "hockey only" fans (although, where the BB and VB teams play also bear the Engelstad name) and have created a culture of "hockey only" fans.

[Dustin]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

I hate to say this but to me the hockey program isn't set up by the athletic department, its set up and directed by the Engelstad foundation/REA.

You were typing this at the exact time I was typing my response, seen just above.  Spot on.

[UND-FB-FAN]

7 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I hate to say this but to me the hockey program isn't set up by the athletic department, its set up and directed by the Engelstad foundation/REA. 

I completely agree and have mentioned it on this site several times. The athletic department is tied to the REA/Engelstad agreement. President Kennedy attempted to (rightfully) buck it a few years back, but McGarry went running to the press and used her public image - inflated by the REA donation - and won out.
 

UND entered into an agreement with the “devil” in order to get the (at the time) $100M REA. The dependence on the REA and Engelstad family has been hard on the other UND athletic programs, especially since going to Division I - where more funding is needed. 

[Bison Dan]

1 minute ago, siouxkid12 said:

You are not wrong but NDSU is doing the same thing but with football as they have put all there eggs in one basket (football) because thats all they really have. UND is in a unique spot where they could have two big programs be contenders each year (hockey and football). 

I hate to say this but to me the hockey program isn't set up by the athletic department, its set up and directed by the Engelstad foundation/REA. 

You couldn't be more wrong and uniformed.  SU has had sucess in most of its sports since going D1.

[UND-FB-FAN]

5 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Don't take this as me defending that UND is doing the right thing by being set up this way, but it's kind of hard to ignore the $100M donation (and repeat smaller donations) meant specifically for that sport.  I don't like biting the hands that feed us, but in a sense, the Engelstads are "hockey only" fans (although, where the BB and VB teams play also bear the Engelstad name) and have created a culture of "hockey only" fans.

I agree completely - in fact, stated the same thing via my other post. By accepting the $100M donation and the REA, UND put themselves in a situation where they have to emphasize hockey. But, believe it or not, I think it’s hurt UND’s growth potential in the long run. Comes down to how the country (and even the state) views college hockey compared to college football and college basketball. Fact of the matter is, college football and college basketball are still incredibly popular in this area, and without question the most popular nationally.