Gameday: UND vs NAU 1pm

[shep]

4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Yep. Stick isn't half the QB Wentz was. 

Isn't that true for 90% of FCS QB's?

[UNDBIZ]

2 minutes ago, shep said:

Isn't that true for 90% of FCS QB's?

Probably. My point wasn't to rip Stick, but to point out that without Wentz they don't blow UND out. UND will stop the run. Stick isn't any better than several QBs we've already faced. 

[Finn flick]

6 hours ago, UNDColorado said:

All that and it was a dart! No soft lob from the Moose!

Are you guys referring to that pass to  TE Fiedler in the end zone? Brilliant but not sure it was a called play. I think Brady saw the opening and took lt but 

then again, what do I know?

[sioux24/7]

3 minutes ago, Finn flick said:

Are you guys referring to that pass to  TE Fiedler in the end zone? Brilliant but not sure it was a called play. I think Brady saw the opening and took lt but 

then again, what do I know?

I would have to imagine it was designed. If it wasn't then that's a hell of a ballsy play by Brady and could have led to a benching if not executed and maybe even if it was. 

[Westside]

17 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Probably. My point wasn't to rip Stick, but to point out that without Wentz they don't blow UND out. UND will stop the run. Stick isn't any better than several QBs we've already faced. 

Yep.  Last year UND held ndsu to 2.7 yds per carry. Other than 35 yd run by Frazier, the gains were pretty minimal. Wentz picked UND apart for 262 & 4 TDs. Our secondary is vastly improved this year as well.  not saying we'd win, but it would have the makings of a much closer game this year. 

[Dustin]

50 minutes ago, Sioux95 said:

31 -10 is pretty close to last year's score and they had Wentz, a better defense, and a better o-line.  I would expect a much closer game and certainly not unreasonable to think it is a game we could win.  Also pretty sure they wouldn't be a 3 TD favorite.

So if NAU can go up 3 TD's, can't NDSU?  We just let it happen to a team that's not going to make the playoffs. Fortunately we came all the way back and won. If a top 2 seeded team does that at home, I would expect them to close the deal. Maybe not 31-10, but somewhere in that 10-20 point range.  Now if we never let it happen in the first place, I'm thinking a different story. 

[Cratter]

27 minutes ago, Finn flick said:

Are you guys referring to that pass to  TE Fiedler in the end zone? Brilliant but not sure it was a called play. I think Brady saw the opening and took lt but 

then again, what do I know?

There is no way the play wasn't designed the way it was executed.

[DB Cooper]

Although i think we deserve a top 8 seed, i won't be surprised if it didn't happen. still salty from last year's selection committee 

[Cratter]

What's funny is the Leave No Doubt motto is going from making the playoffs to getting a top eight seed.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

WOW, wasn't  "Leave No Doubt"  a message to Cow College!

[Sioux94]

39 minutes ago, Cratter said:

There is no way the play wasn't designed the way it was executed.

Yep it was 100% designed that way, there is no way Brady just decided to do that on spur of the moment. 

[SIOUX29]

9 hours ago, Finn flick said:

Are you guys referring to that pass to  TE Fiedler in the end zone? Brilliant but not sure it was a called play. I think Brady saw the opening and took lt but 

then again, what do I know?

May have been a run/pass option, but if it was a straight run our lineman would have been down field blocking trying to get on the second level. 

[DamStrait]

20 hours ago, Westside said:

SFI just posted a replay of the play...

My problem with this is that the quarterback should need to establish possession before "passing" it forward - I'm not sure that slowed down replay demonstrates that possession had been established - and if that's not the rule, it should be.

[Siouxperfan7]

9 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

WOW, wasn't  "Leave No Doubt"  a message to Cow College!

No, theirs is "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" 

[The Sicatoka]

11 hours ago, Finn flick said:

Are you guys referring to that pass to  TE Fiedler in the end zone? Brilliant but not sure it was a called play. I think Brady saw the opening and took lt but 

then again, what do I know?

If it wasn't designed, why was Fiedler standing in the back of the end zone instead of blocking for the run? 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, DamStrait said:

My problem with this is that the quarterback should need to establish possession before "passing" it forward - I'm not sure that slowed down replay demonstrates that possession had been established - and if that's not the rule, it should be.

The side view shows he had two hands on it and stopped the momentum of the ball and then reversed the momentum back toward the line. I'd say he had control (hence possession) of the ball. 

[shep]

2 hours ago, DamStrait said:

My problem with this is that the quarterback should need to establish possession before "passing" it forward - I'm not sure that slowed down replay demonstrates that possession had been established - and if that's not the rule, it should be.

THIS!

[Siouxperfan7]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

The side view shows he had two hands on it and stopped the momentum of the ball and then reversed the momentum back toward the line. I'd say he had control (hence possession) of the ball. 

By that logic, any hand off in front of the quarterback would be considered a pass since he is moving the ball forward an inch into the RB's hands.  I understand the ruling, but from the naked eye it looked like a fumble and I doubt the NAU coach would have complained had they ruled it that way.

[The Sicatoka]

18 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

By that logic, any hand off in front of the quarterback would be considered a pass since he is moving the ball forward an inch into the RB's hands.  I understand the ruling, but from the naked eye it looked like a fumble and I doubt the NAU coach would have complained had they ruled it that way.

Ah, but you miss the key: A handoff involves two people contacting the ball at once. Relook at the video from the side angle; the ball was moving toward the line and airborne with no one touching it if even just momentarily. That's a forward pass. 

Under the rules as written today, the officials got that one right. 

[Feff]

Rewatched the end of the game and man, Reyes nearly ended the last NAU drive twice. Two potential interceptions, one he dropped, one the LB tipped away from him. 

[ericpnelson]

48 minutes ago, Feff said:

Rewatched the end of the game and man, Reyes nearly ended the last NAU drive twice. Two potential interceptions, one he dropped, one the LB tipped away from him. 

If you're playing billards or UND's defense, most of the time, it's best to stay away from #8

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Ah, but you miss the key: A handoff involves two people contacting the ball at once. Relook at the video from the side angle; the ball was moving toward the line and airborne with no one touching it if even just momentarily. That's a forward pass. 

Under the rules as written today, the officials got that one right. 

You are correct. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Feff said:

Rewatched the end of the game and man, Reyes nearly ended the last NAU drive twice. Two potential interceptions, one he dropped, one the LB tipped away from him. 

I noticed that also during the game and Bubba commented on that during yesterday's press conference. He played his ass off trying to end it then and there.

Reyes is very, very good -- of course, we all knew that already. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

UND with 2 of the 10 top plays of week 11 in FCS football:

http://www.ncaa.com/video/football/2016-11-14/fcs-football-top-plays-week-eleven?cid=ncaafcssocial_tw_sf42481074

 

[DamStrait]

3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

The side view shows he had two hands on it and stopped the momentum of the ball and then reversed the momentum back toward the line. I'd say he had control (hence possession) of the ball. 

And my principal point is that it takes slowed down replay (and as you point out, a particular angle) to see (infer?) that, but at full speed I bet it is nearly indistinguishable and as such hardly establishes possession IMHO.