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[siouxfan512]

Didn't realize that Montana had a fairly weak schedule this season too. Other than Eastern Wash, MT doesn't have another overly challenging opponent. Would like to see them beat Eastern, and UND run the table. 

 

	UND	Montana
Different Opponents	Stony Brook	Saint Francis
	Bowling Green	UNI
	South Dakota	Mississippi Valley State
	Weber State	Eastern Washington
Similar Opponents	Montana State	Cal Poly
	Cal Poly	Southern Utah
	Sacramento State	Sacramento State
	Southern Utah	Northern Arizona
	Idaho State	Idaho State
	Northern Colorado	Northern Colorado
	Northern Arizona	Montana State

[KBH2010]

1 minute ago, Dustin said:

It appears that as long as we make the playoffs, a date with NDSU is in our future.

That will be the case pretty much every time.

[Dustin]

50 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

According to Sagarin, 

Montana's SOS is #187 in all of College football

UND's SOS is #174 in all of college football  

So yep, UND has played a more difficult schedule...

 

EDIT:  Can't get it to copy and paste.

 

what about EWU?  Can you post the link to where you're getting this information?

[UNDBIZ]

18 minutes ago, Dustin said:

what about EWU?  Can you post the link to where you're getting this information?

EWU @ #119 SOS; NDSU @ #115; UNI at #109

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

[Dustin]

17 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

EWU @ #119 SOS; NDSU @ #115; UNI at #109

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Thanks.  According to Sagarin, Northern Iowa is the 4th highest ranked FCS team.

[Siouxperfan7]

47 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

EWU @ #119 SOS; NDSU @ #115; UNI at #109

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Really sucks that Bowling Green's only win is against us.  And Sagarin has them ranked below us at 143. 

[siouxfan512]

8 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

Really sucks that Bowling Green's only win is against us.  And Sagarin has them ranked below us at 143. 

Sucks that we played soo bad the first few weeks. If we had played like these past few games, we would have cleaned up.

[Nodak78]

1 hour ago, siouxfan512 said:

Didn't realize that Montana had a fairly weak schedule this season too. Other than Eastern Wash, MT doesn't have another overly challenging opponent. Would like to see them beat Eastern, and UND run the table. 

 

	UND	Montana
Different Opponents	Stony Brook	Saint Francis
	Bowling Green	UNI
	South Dakota	Mississippi Valley State
	Weber State	Eastern Washington
Similar Opponents	Montana State	Cal Poly
	Cal Poly	Southern Utah
	Sacramento State	Sacramento State
	Southern Utah	Northern Arizona
	Idaho State	Idaho State
	Northern Colorado	Northern Colorado
	Northern Arizona	Montana State

The coyotes also beat UNI.  that can't hurt us either.

[Gothmog]

2 hours ago, KBH2010 said:

That will be the case pretty much every time.

Actually it's no better than 50/50 that UND will end up playing NDSU even if you do make the playoffs. If you're not seeded, you'll have to win your first round game, probably on the road, for this game to happen. If you are seeded, both teams will, at least, have to win their 2nd round games. It is, of course, possible that they could be paired in the first round in the unlikely event that neither team is seeded.

At this point I'd give an NDSU/UND matchup a 1 in 4 chance of actually happening. Simply because, even if they are both in the playoffs, one of the teams is likely to lose before that match up actually happens. For instance, NDSU and SDSU have both qualified for the playoffs in the same year four times, yet they have only played each other in the playoffs twice. and the Rabbits had to win their first game to get to the Bison both times.

 

[jdub27]

7 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

If you're not seeded, you'll have to win your first round game, probably on the road, for this game to happen.

Based on what?

[Hambone]

Just now, jdub27 said:

Based on what?

In all truth, I think that we would have a good shot at out-bidding Western Illinois, but likely wouldn't be able to outbid SDSU (if those are the two likely opponents we may be looking at).  I would think that Faison would put in a fairly healthy bid, although with the budget issues who knows.  A playoff win at home would be huge for the future.  

[jdub27]

35 minutes ago, Hambone said:

In all truth, I think that we would have a good shot at out-bidding Western Illinois, but likely wouldn't be able to outbid SDSU (if those are the two likely opponents we may be looking at).  I would think that Faison would put in a fairly healthy bid, although with the budget issues who knows.  A playoff win at home would be huge for the future.  

That is at least a fair assumption instead of just saying UND would probably be on the road. Last year, WIU either didn't bid or got outbid by non-scholarship Dayton, to play in front of 997 fans (not a typo). Hard to say about SDSU. They've been outbid by Montana, Montana State and NAU the last three years for first round games. They did host EIU in 2012, but I'm not sure that says much.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Hambone said:

In all truth, I think that we would have a good shot at out-bidding Western Illinois, but likely wouldn't be able to outbid SDSU (if those are the two likely opponents we may be looking at).  I would think that Faison would put in a fairly healthy bid, although with the budget issues who knows.  A playoff win at home would be huge for the future.  

I would like to think UND could outbid SDSU, but hard to say. Largely depends on anticipated attendance; SDSU having an outdoor venue could negatively impact attendance. 

[Nodak78]

9 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I would like to think UND could outbid SDSU, but hard to say. Largely depends on anticipated attendance; SDSU having an outdoor venue could negatively impact attendance. 

I holding out for a 7 or 8 place seed.  Then SDSU or WIU can play to visit us.

[nodak651]

I'd guess there is no chance SDSU let's anyone not named Montana out bid them in their first year with the new stadium.  Regardless of attendance.

[gundy1124]

34 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I would like to think UND could outbid SDSU, but hard to say. Largely depends on anticipated attendance; SDSU having an outdoor venue could negatively impact attendance. 

Attendance gets an AD to a base bid, then it's donor based and the bid can be an infinite amount.  Get the F'n check books out boys. I meant F'n Hawk.  In theory, we can out bid anyone.

[ND1]

For last year the school kicked in the minimum NCAA bid of 35K and five private donors ponied up an additional 65k.  If the same thing happened this year,  I guarantee 100k would secure a first round playoff game... Money talks!! 

[gundy1124]

30 minutes ago, ND1 said:

For last year the school kicked in the minimum NCAA bid of 35K and five private donors ponied up an additional 65k.  If the same thing happened this year,  I guarantee 100k would secure a first round playoff game... Money talks!! 

You are wise.  Confidence was high for a home play-off based on UNDs bid, except we failed to get in.........

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

22 hours ago, AJS said:

Here's the thing I'm struggling to figure out about everyone talking about UND's weak conference schedule. Wouldn't the same apply to EWU and Montana then as well? I know they play each other, but based on their logic that UND doesn't play anybody, wouldn't both those schools only play 1 good conference opponent? I would say that's a pretty weak conference schedule as well.

 

 

That doesn't say much for the Big Sky as a whole.  We apparently don't give ourselves much credit, wonder why pollsters don't?

[UNDColorado]

According to Sagarin Montana strength of schedule is 187. Our Strength of schedule is 174. 

Maybe the narrative should be changed to Montana doesn't play UND.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

14 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

According to Sagarin Montana strength of schedule is 187. Our Strength of schedule is 174. 

Maybe the narrative should be changed to Montana doesn't play UND.

 

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

That's great, now that's how one gives credit to UND and the Big Sky as a whole.

[Dustin]

According to both FCS playoff projections available (nobowls, Stats), there are 4 Big Sky teams in the field if the season ended today, same as MVFC, with Southern Utah as a bubble.  So the Big Sky can't be that bad.  CAA has the most at 5.

[Dustin]

11 hours ago, ND1 said:

For last year the school kicked in the minimum NCAA bid of 35K and five private donors ponied up an additional 65k.  If the same thing happened this year,  I guarantee 100k would secure a first round playoff game... Money talks!! 

Question for you:  Are the 8 home teams for the first round determined by the 8 highest bids, and then low/no bid teams are paired up with them, with geography as a potential factor?

[Dustin]

1 minute ago, Dustin said:

Question for you:  Are the 8 home teams for the first round determined by the 8 highest bids, and then low/no bid teams are paired up with them, with geography as a potential factor?

Or, are the matchups pre-determined, and then they play at the school who bid higher between the two?

[Nodak78]

7 minutes ago, Dustin said:

Question for you:  Are the 8 home teams for the first round determined by the 8 highest bids, and then low/no bid teams are paired up with them, with geography as a potential factor?

No the 8 seeded teams are picked by the committee.  In theory by their record and SOS.  So if UND wins out they should be considered to be a top 8 seed.  Look forward to the next committee screw job.