UNDfaninMICH Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Sioux94 said: Does anybody know how much it costs for the football team to make a trip? Let's say a trip to Cal Poly.....what are the costs of something like that. I have no idea how much a charter is....maybe 75k 10k for hotel, 10k for food, 5k for busing and other misc. would be 100k total. Not sure if that is anywhere in the ball park or not. However i was thinking about the NAIA since I grew up in Dickinson and watched the Blue Hawks. First round of the playoffs where usually a bus trip, but as you go further had to be a flight. I can't imagine most NAIA schools getting more than 4k attendance. How was the NAIA able to pick up the costs of that? I remember one year DSU went out to play Central Washington, pretty sure it was them anyway......and John Kitna was their QB. Dickinson lost of course. Who knows maybe they did a 20 hour bus ride though and I just don't remember because I probably wasn't caring about that type of thing then. It's too bad that it has to come down to money in that first round. I can see needing a minimum amount, and if you meet the minimum amount you get to host....that wouldn't be too bad. Highest bidder will may be our advantage a few times in the future if we aren't going up against some of the big name schools. But if we are playing a smaller school sometime and we are seeded 20th and they are 10th, we should really have to go play there and not get the home game just because we can bid more. To me it seems like the loser of the Sam Houston game should drop out of the top 8 guaranteed, this is their chance to prove they belong in the top 8 and if they lose they are out. This would move us up, and unless SDSU blows out UNI 45-10 or something I don't think a win against a below .500 team should make you jump somebody else. Especially when you have a common opponent and we beat them and they lost. Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 7 hours ago, UNDfaninMICH said: Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one". When there is formula in place to seed all 24 teams with tie breakers intact, simply that's it, and everyone knows what they have to do or even hope for. And, sure formulas's can get tweaked for the next year, but are in stone during the coarse of the year. The NCAA tournament committee must adhere. When humans choose as it is today, well; politics, prejudice, Alma mater(or even home state), who you know, past disagreements with NCAA(our case Fighting Sioux hangover), favorites, teams with better attendance, traditional winners, and so on, may come into the decision process? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 7 hours ago, UNDfaninMICH said: Shouldn't we have concern that a close win by SHSU over Central Arkansas will make the committee feel validated in their current rankings? Meaning if SHSU is #5 and they barely beat the #7 team, that's about what they predicted should happen, so why should Central Arkansas drop from #7? This business of ranking is incredibly flawed, with voters at a minimum subconsciously motivated to keep themselves looking good. That's why when a UNI team that was highly ranked to start the year gets beat repeatedly, every team that beats them is now a great team, rather than any admission of "hey, perhaps we missed on this one". Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 4 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: When there is formula in place to seed all 24 teams with tie breakers intact, simply that's it, and everyone knows what they have to do or even hope for. And, sure formulas's can get tweaked for the next year, but are in stone during the coarse of the year. The NCAA tournament committee must adhere. When humans choose as it is today, well; politics, prejudice, Alma mater(or even home state), who you know, past disagreements with NCAA(our case Fighting Sioux hangover), favorites, teams with better attendance, traditional winners, and so on, may come into the decision process? I don't buy the Fighting Sioux hangover. None of these ADs on the committee care about that. What they care about is name recognition and money. We aren't a proven commodity so we're at a disadvantage until we prove our worth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 15 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: I don't buy the Fighting Sioux hangover. None of these ADs on the committee care about that. What they care about is name recognition and money. We aren't a proven commodity so we're at a disadvantage until we prove our worth. In all likely hood yes, hope your right. Now, most ADs no, but possible even if it were in the minds of a few, it could make a difference. Now I should of used a proven commodity over traditional winners, that one really seems to carry weight, example N Iowa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 12 minutes ago, UND92 said: I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization. Sounds like a nice compromise. Really, how much difference could there be from 17 to 24? Regionalization makes sense after 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 18, 2016 Author Share Posted November 18, 2016 26 minutes ago, UND92 said: I would like to see 1-16 seeded. 1-8 get byes, 9-16 get home games and 17-24 go to closest venue/regionalization. Doesn't work money wise. That's the bottom line. If it was all huge venues that would sell out then I bet they would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 Sagarin - 11/27/16 NDSU EWU James Madison SDSU UNI Jacksonville St Youngstown Sam Houston Chattanooga Illinois St Central Arkansas The Citadel Villanova Richmond Charleston Southern Wofford Coastal Carolina North Dakota Montana Princeton Western Illinois Samford New Hampshire South Dakota Lehigh Southern Utah Southern Illinois Northern Arizona Cal Poly Grambling San Diego Colgate Tennessee Martin Albany Liberty Furman Penn Fordham McNeese St Eastern Illinois William & Mary Mercer Indiana St Kennesaw St Maine Weber St NC A&T Stony Brook Northern Colorado Harvard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 When a 5-6 team is rated #5, this system is seriously flawed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bincitysioux Posted November 28, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2016 2 hours ago, UNDColorado said: When a 5-6 team is rated #5, this system is seriously flawed. But their schedule was really hard. And it included away games too. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 That UNI #5 rating makes this poll pretty unreliable. Remind me next year not to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 28, 2016 Author Share Posted November 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: That UNI #5 rating makes this poll pretty unreliable. Remind me next year not to look at it. If you remove a couple statistical anomalies its pretty decent. But some of those anomalies are pretty hard to overlook... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtime fan Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 1 hour ago, bincitysioux said: But their schedule was really hard. And it included away games too. Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/28/2016 at 0:07 PM, Longtime fan said: Lol. And Richmond game UNI a home quality loss in Dec of 2008 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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