NeedHockey Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) So Brad's article is a hack piece because it points out the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was in fact a bigot and a racist?fact? Edited October 19, 2015 by SIOUXFAN97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=101120 #OnlyHockeyMattersnice catch...anyone talked to swimming and diving or the golf team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Also from Brad's blog:Many of them felt that Nodaks was the closest thing to keeping it North Dakota, which was the overwhelmingly popular choice among the players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 , Roosevelt was quoted as saying: “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.” - See more at: http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=100931#comment-151680 I don't see how taking a direct quote from Teddy Roosevelt can be construed as libel or slander. As far as people thinking he was racist, i don't think there's much argument after reading this quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdway Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Roosevelt was quoted as saying: “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.” - See more at: http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=100931#comment-151680 I don't see how taking a direct quote from Teddy Roosevelt can be construed as libel or slander. As far as people thinking he was racist, i don't think there's much argument after reading this quote.And he was a white male. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJHovey Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Background on the TR comment. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/geronimos-appeal-to-theodore-roosevelt-117859516/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Then where is his outrage, and yours for that matter in North Dakota giving out the Roughrider Award as the highest honor in the state? ... that's what I thought. Sometimes it just takes a little time.Columbus Day established in 1892Roughrider award established in 1961 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 fact?yes. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 He is writing that to support the hockey teams choice, which is Nodaks and to point out the fact that Teddy Roosevelt was a racist. it all goes together if you read his stories and blog.fyp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDhoops Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Roosevelt was quoted as saying: “I don’t go so far as to think that the only good Indians are dead Indians, but I believe nine out of ten are, and I shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the tenth.” - See more at: http://undhockey.areavoices.com/?p=100931#comment-151680 I don't see how taking a direct quote from Teddy Roosevelt can be construed as libel or slander. As far as people thinking he was racist, i don't think there's much argument after reading this quote. And he was a white male. it also isn't slander because he's dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Maybe this is the long con?UND chooses Roughriders for name.They incorporate Roosevelt into the marketing/logo/etc.The Native American's already upset that the NCAA and UND removed Fighting Sioux start protesting at UND events and march on Indianapolis to draw attention to the hypocrisy and racist insensitivity of the NCAA and by force UND.NCAA acquiesces and orders UND to return to Fighting Sioux.Profit! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Sometimes it just takes a little time.Columbus Day established in 1892Roughrider award established in 1961Yes, and getting rid of the Sioux nickname as well. So you're a big fan of political correctness huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 the NCAA does not have the authority to sanction any states based on any awards they may hand out. at least not that i'm aware of. comparing apples and oranges here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Maybe this is the long con?UND chooses Roughriders for name.They incorporate Roosevelt into the marketing/logo/etc.The Native American's already upset that the NCAA and UND removed Fighting Sioux start protesting at UND events and march on Indianapolis to draw attention to the hypocrisy and racist insensitivity of the NCAA and by force UND.NCAA acquiesces and orders UND to return to Fighting Sioux.Profit!Sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWNorDakota Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This might be a bit late for posting, but if UND were to pick Roughriders as its new nickname, it really doesn't have to have any ties with Teddy Roosevelt. Below is the logo that the Southern McLean High School Roughriders uses on their uniforms in Washburn, North Dakota. I think that it's a pretty cool logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Baker Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This might be a bit late for posting, but if UND were to pick Roughriders as its new nickname, it really doesn't have to have any ties with Teddy Roosevelt. Below is the logo that the Southern McLean High School Roughriders uses on their uniforms in Washburn, North Dakota. I think that it's a pretty cool logo. It is a pretty cool logo. I guess I wouldn't mind a "Teddy" logo, however, at least for an alternate logo or, finally, a real life mascot!On another note, as some posters have stated, this logo could very well be used if Nodaks was selected. That's one of the things that has intrigued me about Nodaks over the past few days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 if RR, I like the idea of Teddy-less logos. Not that I have anything against Teddy, but I prefer that this evoke the image of a roughrider in general, rather than 1 man. Someone else said it and I agree, Teddy-like logos look cartoonish. I think more general associations lead to better logo opportunities Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 If Roughriders, I'd like to see a Teddy-less logo, but have a Teddy mascot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 if RR, I like the idea of Teddy-less logos. Not that I have anything against Teddy, but I prefer that this evoke the image of a roughrider in general, rather than 1 man. Someone else said it and I agree, Teddy-like logos look cartoonish. I think more general associations lead to better logo opportunitiesYeah, imagine a Brien-style serious cowboy face as a logo (I'm essentially picturing the Sioux head, but a cowboy). I think I could really like that. To be fair, that could also work for Nodaks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yeah, imagine a Brien-style serious cowboy face as a logo (I'm essentially picturing the Sioux head, but a cowboy). I think I could really like that. To be fair, that could also work for Nodaks.I voted Nodaks but I agree, that could be neat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yeah, imagine a Brien-style serious cowboy face as a logo (I'm essentially picturing the Sioux head, but a cowboy). I think I could really like that. To be fair, that could also work for Nodaks.Someone take the Sioux logo and make up a modified logo to represent Roughriders. Remove the feathers and replace them with a cowboy hat, lighten up the skin, change the hair color, etc. I am sure there are some creative people out there that can do that!! Curious to see what that would look like!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Someone take the Sioux logo and make up a modified logo to represent Roughriders. Remove the feathers and replace them with a cowboy hat, lighten up the skin, change the hair color, etc. I am sure there are some creative people out there that can do that!! Curious to see what that would look like!!Id like to see this also, great idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Someone take the Sioux logo and make up a modified logo to represent Roughriders. Remove the feathers and replace them with a cowboy hat, lighten up the skin, change the hair color, etc. I am sure there are some creative people out there that can do that!! Curious to see what that would look like!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Someone take the Sioux logo and make up a modified logo to represent Roughriders. Remove the feathers and replace them with a cowboy hat, lighten up the skin, change the hair color, etc. I am sure there are some creative people out there that can do that!! Curious to see what that would look like!!Frankly, I would like to see a few logos. Maybe one with the rider with the sword shown above, one with the horses head like Cedar Rapids then you could intermingle them as front of the jersey logos and arm patches. Wouldn't mind seeing the crossed sabers as arm patches, but don't know if that would fly or not. Maybe if you create a logo with the ND and the crossed sabers combined. Edited October 22, 2015 by tnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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