geaux_sioux Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 9 hours ago, Hammersmith said: Ehh, more like 50 years. Can't really compare GF and Fargo; you need to compare Greater GF and the FM metro. Year - GreaterGF/FMMetro/FM bigger than GGF percent 1960 - 84,859/106,027/+25% 1970 - 95,537/120,238/+26% 1980 - 100,944/137,574/+36% 1990 - 103,181/153,296/+49% 2000 - 97,487/174,367/+79% 2010 - 98,461/208,777/+112% 2018 - 102,299/245,471/+140% The growth difference this millennium is startling. Really sad to see 1980 and 2018 side by side for GF. Not that all growth is good but for fucks sake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Base pull out really hurt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Lubowski Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 GF, the city bureaucracy, has a rep for being difficult to deal with—ask any developer from out of town. That goes a long way in people making development decisions, when there are alternatives, and there always are. (I think if Bochenski just changes that, he’ll have accomplished a lot.) And there can be more anti-outsider bias in GF than in Fargo, imho... That’s certainly a subjective view but one that is shared by more than a few. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Lubowski said: GF, the city bureaucracy, has a rep for being difficult to deal with—ask any developer from out of town. That goes a long way in people making development decisions, when there are alternatives, and there always are. (I think if Bochenski just changes that, he’ll have accomplished a lot.) And there can be more anti-outsider bias in GF than in Fargo, imho... That’s certainly a subjective view but one that is shared by more than a few. From a person who went to UND and lives in Fargo. I have a few customers in Grand Forks and when I head up north to visit them and am going to have some extra time to make a few cold calls I always try and remember to wear a UND polo or quarter zip those days instead of my company logo. When they ask where we are based out of the conversation might continue but it is effectively over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Having a mayor who for years continually looked at vaginas will cloud anyone's judgment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Big Lubowski said: Do you have the same numbers for the Bismarck/Mandan metro? It would be interesting to see if those more closely followed Fargo or GF? I’m betting the former... BisMan: 1960 - 61,280 1970 - 66,978 1980 - 86,103 1990 - 89,973 2000 - 100,828 2010 - 114,778 2018 - 132,678 But, hey, you could always be Wahp/Breck, which peaked in 1920. 1920 - 31,074 1930 - 30,799 1940 - 30,994 1950 - 30,432 1960 - 29,474 1970 - 27,478 1980 - 27,661 1990 - 25,664 2000 - 25,136 2010 - 22,897 2019 - 22,384 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Hammersmith said: BisMan: 1960 - 61,280 1970 - 66,978 1980 - 86,103 1990 - 89,973 2000 - 100,828 2010 - 114,778 2018 - 132,678 But, hey, you could always be Wahp/Breck, which peaked in 1920. 1920 - 31,074 1930 - 30,799 1940 - 30,994 1950 - 30,432 1960 - 29,474 1970 - 27,478 1980 - 27,661 1990 - 25,664 2000 - 25,136 2010 - 22,897 2019 - 22,384 It would be interesting to look at the % of the metros represented by GF and Fargo and also a list of the top metro towns for each and how they’ve grown over the years. Also how much growth in GF has been offset by the shrinking base? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 7:31 AM, geaux_sioux said: Look at the growth charts for both. Post flood Fargo took off and left GF in the dust. They swing for the fences at every pitch. They’re bound to hit a ton of home runs. Meanwhile we haven’t even chosen a bat and will likely try and bunt once we do. I see the chart also coincides with the Base downsizing substantially. GFAFB in 1990: 9300 2000: 4800 2010: 2300 That's an awful lot of (disproportionately) young people to lose. And some of those guys/gals were sticking around when they got out of the service too (maybe they liked the area or found a spouse). Perhaps GF has just had all around bad luck and some self-inflicted wounds as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 On 5/11/2021 at 10:10 PM, OgieOgilthorpe said: ... only a measly 800 were counted from the state’s 3rd largest city. Curious where you got this number since they haven't come out from the census yet. 300 apartment units are constructed every year on average in Grand Forks for the past decade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 5:52 PM, The Sicatoka said: Hornbacher's is now owned by Coborn's. Coborn’s operates 53 supermarkets in Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Illinois and Wisconsin under the Coborn’s, Cash Wise Foods, Marketplace Foods and Save-A-Lot banners. You're telling me Hugo's ran them out of town? I'd say WalMart and SuperTarget did the deed. Super value bought hornbackers . Hugo's negotiated with them that if they close their grand forks store they would change to the super value off brand of products. Super value gets money from selling their off brand to Hugo's and closes a marginal store . Only ones that lose are the people of grand forks losing another choice for a grocery store and Hugo's keeps their monopoly in town. I wish someone would come in and get rid of that monopoly. We don't need 6 Hugo's in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammersmith Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, NewUndFan said: Super value bought hornbackers . Hugo's negotiated with them that if they close their grand forks store they would change to the super value off brand of products. Super value gets money from selling their off brand to Hugo's and closes a marginal store . Only ones that lose are the people of grand forks losing another choice for a grocery store and Hugo's keeps their monopoly in town. I wish someone would come in and get rid of that monopoly. We don't need 6 Hugo's in town. Not contradicting anyone here, just clarifying the timeline... 1975 - SuperValu buys Hornbacher's 2015 - Hornbacher's opens a GF location 2018(Jul) - A proxy fight of SuperValu results in its sale to United Natural Foods and the divestiture of all its grocery stores 2018(Nov) - Coborn's agrees to purchase 8 of the 9 Hornbacher's stores; only the GF location is not part of the deal 2018(Dec) - GF Hornbacher's closes 2018(Dec) - Coborn's takes possession of Hornbacher's assets Any deal to close the GF Hornbacher's in exchange for SV/UNFI house brands in Hugo's would have had to have happened in a relatively short window in late 2018. It's also possible Coborn's just didn't want to add to their supply chain. They were already running trucks to the FM area for their four Cash Wise locations in Fargo, West Fargo, and Moorhead; maybe they didn't want to start running trucks to GF for a single store. Though a deal with SV/UNFI is certainly possible as Hugo's is currently carrying SV house brands like Essential Everyday and Wild Harvest and not SpartanNash house brands like Our Family. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas_Sioux Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 10:00 AM, petey23 said: From a person who went to UND and lives in Fargo. I have a few customers in Grand Forks and when I head up north to visit them and am going to have some extra time to make a few cold calls I always try and remember to wear a UND polo or quarter zip those days instead of my company logo. When they ask where we are based out of the conversation might continue but it is effectively over. Same thought process about people who drive to Fargo to fly out. Remember when the babe Ruth baseball team made the national tournament had to have a press release about flying out of Fargo because they were required to fly American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb1 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 So the Hardee’s on S. Columbia was torn down to make way for a car wash. Is that really something GF needs is another Car wash? There are at least three on the North end, with the most recent being Rydells. You have at least three more on the south end and probably more. I was really hoping for a new restaurant in that location but I guess not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, crb1 said: So the Hardee’s on S. Columbia was torn down to make way for a car wash. Is that really something GF needs is another Car wash? There are at least three on the North end, with the most recent being Rydells. You have at least three more on the south end and probably more. I was really hoping for a new restaurant in that location but I guess not. Restaurants are still hurting. Albeit many flush with cash but all govt money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, crb1 said: So the Hardee’s on S. Columbia was torn down to make way for a car wash. Is that really something GF needs is another Car wash? There are at least three on the North end, with the most recent being Rydells. You have at least three more on the south end and probably more. I was really hoping for a new restaurant in that location but I guess not. Any more car washes and GF will need addition to the water treatment plant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 people need to watch the Ozarks sometime...explains a lot about questionable business doings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 13 hours ago, crb1 said: .... to make way for a car wash. Is that really something GF needs is another Car wash? Who would have ever saw the rise of car washes! On 8/10/2019 at 9:47 AM, Cratter said: Car washes, like storage units, are a "modern, easy" money making opportunities. The style of the proposed rydell one posted above, was "recently" opened in Fargo also. Oh and you'll never guess what the old Ironhide Equipment (Bobcat) building became. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Unlimited monthly car wash packages are great....if it wasnt for how popular they were.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 34 minutes ago, Cratter said: Who would have ever saw the rise of car washes! Oh and you'll never guess what the old Ironhide Equipment (Bobcat) building became. At least it didn’t sit empty and become an eye sore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 22 hours ago, crb1 said: So the Hardee’s on S. Columbia was torn down to make way for a car wash. Is that really something GF needs is another Car wash? There are at least three on the North end, with the most recent being Rydells. You have at least three more on the south end and probably more. I was really hoping for a new restaurant in that location but I guess not. You never know when you need another car wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 On 9/9/2020 at 12:05 PM, Cratter said: New L.I.S.T.E.N center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teeder11 Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Cratter said: Thanks, Cratter, for getting this thread back on track! Love reading about this kind of stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 5/23/2021 at 10:30 AM, Cratter said: kind of an odd location for this...shouldn't this be closer to downtown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Quote Growth Fund Committee members approved a nearly $270,000 loan for Washington-based Core Scientific, which will set up a location in the industrial park on the west side of town. The company provides infrastructure and software solutions for artificial intelligence and blockchain users involved in mining for cryptocurrency, such as bitcoin. The loan will be used to buy down interest on commercial loans the company has taken out with Bremer and Alerus banks. Quote The company is expected to create 14 full-time positions, with the possibility of more. Work is being done at the location, and the goal is to have the second building erected by winter, so electrical work can happen during the cold season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 hours ago, Cratter said: Remember the strange data center that burned a couple years ago? What ever came out of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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