southpaw Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 That's a poor argument. For a number of reasons, including the number of games in a season and per game attendence, a single football game is more important than a single event in any of NDSU's other sports. The cancellation of a single basketball game, for instance, is less likely to happen and less damaging if it does happen than the cancellation of a football game. Also, as people on the board are fond of pointing out, football is a simply a more important sport at NDSU than any other sport. That's why NDSU isn't as concerned about scheduling an "unreliable partner" in sports other than football...the potential for damage is much lower. Got it. You think UND is unreliable. Thank you for your continued interest in University of North Dakota athletics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 That's a poor argument. For a number of reasons, including the number of games in a season and per game attendence, a single football game is more important than a single event in any of NDSU's other sports. The cancellation of a single basketball game, for instance, is less likely to happen and less damaging if it does happen than the cancellation of a football game. Also, as people on the board are fond of pointing out, football is a simply a more important sport at NDSU than any other sport. That's why NDSU isn't as concerned about scheduling an "unreliable partner" in sports other than football...the potential for damage is much lower. Unless you care to identify yourself as Gene Taylor himself, I'll simply go by the good things members of the athletic department have had to say about scheduling UND, and take Gene's comments on the public record regarding football scheduling at face value. Take heart though, your opinion on this comes in a very close second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Please explain how it will be a "wash"? If they get 350k to go down there - that leaves about 135k left over after spending 100k on the charter, 100k on buyout and 15k for miscellaneous cost. If they are only getting 300k, then they make 85K. Profit is profit and that can pay for alot of things in recruiting, jerseys, etc. New information states that SMU is paying Montana State 300k. Montana State is paying Monmouth 200k to come to Bozeman on opening day, the week before SMU. So my new math shows MSU is losing 110k: 300k (SMU) - 110k (travel to SMU) - 100k (buyout NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 110k. On the flip side, if they played NDSU: -110k (travel to NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 310k. Looks like a financial move to me. Plus they get a guaranteed FCS home win out of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 New information states that SMU is paying Montana State 300k. Montana State is paying Monmouth 200k to come to Bozeman on opening day, the week before SMU. So my new math shows MSU is losing 110k: 300k (SMU) - 110k (travel to SMU) - 100k (buyout NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 110k. On the flip side, if they played NDSU: -110k (travel to NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 310k. Looks like a financial move to me. Plus they get a guaranteed FCS home win out of the deal. They're also using it to cover the cost of bring in a DII team also. I don't know why he would say it was revenue neutral if it wasn't. I'm sure he rather say yeah man we're making big money by this move. Poor scheduling on his part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 They're also using it to cover the cost of bring in a DII team also. I don't know why he would say it was revenue neutral if it wasn't. I'm sure he rather say yeah man we're making big money by this move. Poor scheduling on his part. I'd be curious to see the books at MSU...it must be written in crayon. Dropping NDSU for SMU and a DII team. Yeah...makes no sense SMU sure for the money but a DII. They better hope they win the conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 New information states that SMU is paying Montana State 300k. Montana State is paying Monmouth 200k to come to Bozeman on opening day, the week before SMU. So my new math shows MSU is losing 110k: 300k (SMU) - 110k (travel to SMU) - 100k (buyout NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 110k. On the flip side, if they played NDSU: -110k (travel to NDSU) - 200k (Monmouth) = losing 310k. Looks like a financial move to me. Plus they get a guaranteed FCS home win out of the deal. No...it's because they are scared to play the Bison!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 They're also using it to cover the cost of bring in a DII team also. I don't know why he would say it was revenue neutral if it wasn't. I'm sure he rather say yeah man we're making big money by this move. Poor scheduling on his part. Monmouth University is an FCS school. One of my son in laws teammates with the Cowboys was Miles Austin who is a Monmouth grad. Its in New Jersey. Who is the DII school you refer to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 19, 2013 Share Posted February 19, 2013 Monmouth University is an FCS school. One of my son in laws teammates with the Cowboys was Miles Austin who is a Monmouth grad. Its in New Jersey. Who is the DII school you refer to? MSU hosts Mesa State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 I think it's best to continue to distance ourselves from the Moo U football program. http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/390570/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Was he a starter for the bison. Guess not since he is not on the team anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 If our hockey team will travel to Canada to play at a neutral site. I say we play the game at the metrodome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Was he a starter for the bison. Guess not since he is not on the team anymore. He played enough title season 1 and would've last season as well. In fact he had 1 of the biggest tackles of the season against GSU on a 4th and goal which really helped swing the momentum. So I hope that assists your butthurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Five Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 If our hockey team will travel to Canada to play at a neutral site. I say we play the game at the metrodome. Vs the Bison club squad? Sounds like Minot State would be a better option this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 He played enough title season 1 and would've last season as well. In fact he had 1 of the biggest tackles of the season against GSU on a 4th and goal which really helped swing the momentum. So I hope that assists your butthurt. Bison Media Blog, 8/9/12 Jemison had another procedure done on his other hip, but you could tell thru the first few practices, he was not close to his former self. Bohl told the media last Friday that Jemison’s hip put him in a position that he couldn’t play every down and re-iterated today that his reps had been decreasing by the practice. In the same situation, I'll bet a guy like Marcus Williams gets "his day in court". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 He played enough title season 1 and would've last season as well. In fact he had 1 of the biggest tackles of the season against GSU on a 4th and goal which really helped swing the momentum. So I hope that assists your butthurt. obviously not as valuable as the fab 8 felons or he would have played last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Bison Media Blog, 8/9/12 In the same situation, I'll bet a guy like Marcus Williams gets "his day in court". Not for indecent exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Not for indecent exposure. His step dad said it was a wardrobe malfunction, in that he forgot to put on "undergear". http://www.valleynewslive.com/story/19373093/jemisons-dad-fights-sons-charges If what his story was to his step dad was true Jemison received a big screw job from NDSU. I hope he was able to afford to stay in school and work towards a degree. He was dismissed before his day in court, as it was likely that he was going to have a hard (bad pun) time playing a major role on the field. It was an easy way to free up a scholarship that otherwise would have been tied up by an injured player. An aside from this... What happens to players that are forced to end their football career because of injuries? Does the school generally honor their scholarship? Or are they effed? Juckem comes to mind for NDSU. Have seen stated that his scholarship is "available", but after the time and effort he's put in for NDSU, don't they owe it to him to help him finish his last year of school? Is a player's academic progress considered in this situation? I realize scholarships are a year to year deal, just wondering how compassion plays a part. Carry on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Green Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 So NDSU has an open date on September 14th, the same day UND play's Montana. If I'm Faison I call up Taylor and say "We understand you need some help filling out your schedule. If it would help I'm sure we can get out of the Montana game and you can come up here". I know full will Gene will not go for it. For the record I could care less if we ever play those arrogant SOB’s again. We are in a better conference and it is time for UND to move on a build new rivalries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 MSU hosts Mesa State. The timeline is not really fair to NDSU, but I understood why. The Mesa State game baffles me though. Seems like a bad move. The only way I could see that happening is if there was absolutely no other alternative and it is purely to raise cash. Games like that do, however, piss the fan base off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 So NDSU has an open date on September 14th, the same day UND play's Montana. If I'm Faison I call up Taylor and say "We understand you need some help filling out your schedule. If it would help I'm sure we can get out of the Montana game and you can come up here". I know full will Gene will not go for it. For the record I could care less if we ever play those arrogant SOB’s again. We are in a better conference and it is time for UND to move on a build new rivalries. UND would never want to do that. Montana is a top notch game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 His step dad said it was a wardrobe malfunction, in that he forgot to put on "undergear". http://www.valleynew...ts-sons-charges If what his story was to his step dad was true Jemison received a big screw job from NDSU. I hope he was able to afford to stay in school and work towards a degree. He was dismissed before his day in court, as it was likely that he was going to have a hard (bad pun) time playing a major role on the field. It was an easy way to free up a scholarship that otherwise would have been tied up by an injured player. An aside from this... What happens to players that are forced to end their football career because of injuries? Does the school generally honor their scholarship? Or are they effed? Juckem comes to mind for NDSU. Have seen stated that his scholarship is "available", but after the time and effort he's put in for NDSU, don't they owe it to him to help him finish his last year of school? Is a player's academic progress considered in this situation? I realize scholarships are a year to year deal, just wondering how compassion plays a part. Carry on... With an injury.......I believe the schollies are honored, but the team can still fill the scholly. I think this is across the NCAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The timeline is not really fair to NDSU, but I understood why. The Mesa State game baffles me though. Seems like a bad move. The only way I could see that happening is if there was absolutely no other alternative and it is purely to raise cash. Games like that do, however, piss the fan base off. Based on how long GT and the NDSU athletic department holds grudges, They will likely not play Montana State ever again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WYOBISONMAN Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Based on how long GT and the NDSU athletic department holds grudges, They will likely not play Montana State ever again!! Given past patterns, it would not be very bright to try and schedule them again. I think the fans would be mad if he tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 UND would never want to do that. Montana is a top notch game. You're right, Montana is a heck of a lot better football brand than the Ag School of the North. No use removing Montana from our schedule to help out the arrogant pricks from Fargo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 Given past patterns, it would not be very bright to try and schedule them again. I think the fans would be mad if he tried. Does backing out blackball you from getting scheduled? If so I doubt UND will see Central Arkansas again and we will only see Idaho St in conference play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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