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[iramurphy]

4 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

So, you think he should reveal a fight between two coaches?

No, he should not. It serves no purpose.  

When you are privileged to be allowed  “inside”, you have an obligation to keep certain things “in the family”.  That includes guys like Schlossman, Hennessy, Poolman, team medical staff, locker room staff etc. 

 

 

[Kab]

30 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Ok, fair enough. In your opinion, what should he be saying? He's a local newspaper writer writing about college hockey. I don't get why people think he needs to be an investigative reporter and reveal all the secrets. 

He is a good writer

years back he got into politics which he shouldn’t have and he quit that after a few suggestions 

 

[Brett0909]

11 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

No, he should not. It serves no purpose.  

When you are privileged to be allowed  “inside”, you have an obligation to keep certain things “in the family”.  That includes guys like Schlossman, Hennessy, Poolman, team medical staff, locker room staff etc. 

 

 

Fair point. But when you publicly come out emphatically for or against a preferred outcome for the next coach…without using that insider info to inform your conclusion…and then also withhold that information from your paid subscribers who instead learn info from fan forums…you can’t complain when your readers are disappointed and cry “bias”, can you?

If journalists can’t be trusted to fairly report the news and instead only report what the team approves as favorable, they SHOULD lose credibility and be considered entertainment not journalism. Suspect this is just the reality of GFK if you want any access to the team, and not Schloss’s preference. 

Miss the days when they reported at least some of the player scandals and inside challenges, vs this recent PR only spin on things. But those days are likely gone. 

[Shawn-O]

Virg Foss was no Geraldo Rivera either. 

[stoneySIOUX]

48 minutes ago, tnt said:

Oh, I don’t know, maybe a lot of the reasons people on this site have given for thinking a change was in order.  Giving only the positive stats and ignoring the others doesn’t give a complete picture, and I thought being a journalist was to give both sides of issues and let the readers decide for themselves.

I think this board overplays what the role of local writer is and/or should be. I'll never understand why people feel entitled the know all the details. Schlossman is reporting, ultimately, why he was let go... UND's play. It was very good, but not good enough in the biggest spots. If Bubs and Jax got into a "dust up" (copyright @Oxbow6 😉), but UND went on a second half run and won a title, none of this matters. 

We all seem to be looking for something nefarious.

[stoneySIOUX]

36 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

No, he should not. It serves no purpose.  

When you are privileged to be allowed  “inside”, you have an obligation to keep certain things “in the family”.  That includes guys like Schlossman, Hennessy, Poolman, team medical staff, locker room staff etc. 

 

 

Thank you. My point 100%

[stoneySIOUX]

12 minutes ago, Brett0909 said:

Fair point. But when you publicly come out emphatically for or against a preferred outcome for the next coach…without using that insider info to inform your conclusion…and then also withhold that information from your paid subscribers who instead learn info from fan forums…you can’t complain when your readers are disappointed and cry “bias”, can you?

If journalists can’t be trusted to fairly report the news and instead only report what the team approves as favorable, they SHOULD lose credibility and be considered entertainment not journalism. Suspect this is just the reality of GFK if you want any access to the team, and not Schloss’s preference. 

Miss the days when they reported at least some of the player scandals and inside challenges, vs this recent PR only spin on things. But those days are likely gone. 

But he didn't do that. He reported facts and people took it that he was plugging for Jax. He wrote about all three most recent hires. Everyone found a hidden agenda in it. 

Reporting the scandals.... why do we feel entitled to these stories? Ultimately, does it matter if Jammer was doing something he shouldn't have been? What do readers get out of it if they know? A scapegoat? Seems silly to me.

[iramurphy]

6 minutes ago, Brett0909 said:

Fair point. But when you publicly come out emphatically for or against a preferred outcome for the next coach…without using that insider info to inform your conclusion…and then also withhold that information from your paid subscribers who instead learn info from fan forums…you can’t complain when your readers are disappointed and cry “bias”, can you?

If journalists can’t be trusted to fairly report the news and instead only report what the team approves as favorable, they SHOULD lose credibility and be considered entertainment not journalism. Suspect this is just the reality of GFK if you want any access to the team, and not Schloss’s preference. 

Miss the days when they reported at least some of the player scandals and inside challenges, vs this recent PR only spin on things. But those days are likely gone. 

I agree journalists shouldn’t complain when readers or others complain because they won’t share information that is not the business of others. However, it goes with the job. 

Why does anyone care about disagreements between coaches. It isn’t uncommon. 
Why would anyone want to know about players parties, girlfriends, disagreements etc.?  I assume most of us are no longer in Jr high. Subjects like Arrests, DUI’s, assaults, theft and certain accidents are different. 
 

[Greenbayguy87]

44 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

No, he should not. It serves no purpose.  

When you are privileged to be allowed  “inside”, you have an obligation to keep certain things “in the family”.  That includes guys like Schlossman, Hennessy, Poolman, team medical staff, locker room staff etc. 

 

 

There is a difference between Schlossman and the rest.  They are paid, or contracted, by the University.  Schlossman should not be “in the family.”  

[Siouxdaddy]

If Schloss revealed every scoop he got, he would never get info. He builds trust with the coaching staff and the higher ups at UND. So yes he knows more than all of us, but I can tell you right now he is the only one that knows what is going on. Info goes from the AD-SID-Schloss, and nobody else. That’s how it works, and how it always will. 

[SKondrashkin]

11 minutes ago, Greenbayguy87 said:

There is a difference between Schlossman and the rest.  They are paid, or contracted, by the University.  Schlossman should not be “in the family.”  

 

Schloss gets crapped on too much.   His conventional and cautious nature says more about the University and the Program than it does him.   "Toe the line, we'll give you access.   If you don't, bye bye"    

[Goon]

44 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Virg Foss was no Geraldo Rivera either. 

Oh dear God, please don't put Virg Foss in the same sentence as that pariah Geraldo Riveria. 

[Godsmack]

1 minute ago, Goon said:

Oh dear God, please don't put Virg Foss in the same sentence as that pariah Geraldo Riveria. 

Wasn’t it Virg who broke the story of Jimmy Hoffa’s remains being found under the end zone at Meadowlands Stadium? 

[iramurphy]

27 minutes ago, Greenbayguy87 said:

There is a difference between Schlossman and the rest.  They are paid, or contracted, by the University.  Schlossman should not be “in the family.”  

You are correct in that there is a difference. But as the local hockey writer, he is given the privilege of access to the team and players that others don’t have. If he uses that privilege and becomes a “gossip columnist “ he would likely find players clam up around him and coaches likely wouldn’t be as open. 
 

[tnt]

49 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I think this board overplays what the role of local writer is and/or should be. I'll never understand why people feel entitled the know all the details. Schlossman is reporting, ultimately, why he was let go... UND's play. It was very good, but not good enough in the biggest spots. If Bubs and Jax got into a "dust up" (copyright @Oxbow6 😉), but UND went on a second half run and won a title, none of this matters. 

We all seem to be looking for something nefarious.

Hate to state the obvious, but the run you talk about hasn’t happened which is the reason for the change, something that is met with only excuses of injuries, etc., like no team can overcome adversity.

[UND1983]

2 hours ago, nascar99 said:

He's in the loop, he just won't repeat it in order to keep his sources & potentially his whole job. DM Schloss politely on Twitter & you'll find out that he knows more behind the scenes but can't really bring it up on pods & in articles.

Similar to 360 guys.  They know but can’t say 

[burd]

27 minutes ago, Goon said:

Oh dear God, please don't put Virg Foss in the same sentence as that pariah Geraldo Riveria. 

Yeah.   Rivera is not and never has been a serious investigative reporter.    

[stoneySIOUX]

24 minutes ago, tnt said:

Hate to state the obvious, but the run you talk about hasn’t happened which is the reason for the change, something that is met with only excuses of injuries, etc., like no team can overcome adversity.

Lol so if you hate to state the obvious, why did you? That was legitimately my point. UND fired Bubs because he didn't get it done. Not some additional story many seem to be begging for for some odd reason.

[Oxbow6]

20 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Similar to 360 guys.  They know but can’t say 

360 got much better with the addition by subtraction concept 

[fightingsioux4life]

5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Lol so if you hate to state the obvious, why did you? You're glossing over the point, but ok.

Our play was anything but "very good" last Friday night at the X, which I had the "pleasure" of watching live. It was a perfect microcosm of the season and what the program has morphed into and it's why we are having this discussion in the first place.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Schloss breaks news not just for UND but for college hockey as a whole. As Warren Buffett once said, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation but only a moment to ruin it. Don't expect him to do the latter for gossip.

[stoneySIOUX]

39 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Our play was anything but "very good" last Friday night at the X, which I had the "pleasure" of watching live. It was a perfect microcosm of the season and what the program has morphed into and it's why we are having this discussion in the first place.

Um, yes. This is why he was fired. Which is what I'm saying. UND was no longer very good, as they were for most of his tenure.

[siouxkid12]

2 hours ago, tnt said:

Oh, I don’t know, maybe a lot of the reasons people on this site have given for thinking a change was in order.  Giving only the positive stats and ignoring the others doesn’t give a complete picture, and I thought being a journalist was to give both sides of issues and let the readers decide for themselves.

Last time a local news reporter reported on a UND player in a bad light (I think it was one of Oshie’s incidents), said reporter got a call and got her butt chewed. 

[AJS]

Any chance they can try to get Barr in the mix? Or is he 24rs too late for the zoom call interview?

[Cratter]

2 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Why does anyone care about disagreements between coaches.

I'd venture to guess because it seems to be a big part of the story that's unfolding.